Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Erys]

Yes, not dps-ing besides healing means you have free time. But if you pass the dungeon / raid without much effort and the job gets done... why continue to harass them? I just don't get it.

No one here has used harsh words except for, ironically, the so called ""scrubs"". Scrubs are me and my static members, WE are true scrubs x'D
Calling someone lazy isn't harassment, it's a wake up call to the fact they are not contributing to the team.
If you were at your workplace and have to meet a quota, let's say, sign 100 contracts for fluffly plushies deliveries. At the end of the day your boss comes in and says "hey, I need you to stay overtime, won't pay you and you have to sign the 80 contract your coworker didn't fill because he didn't feel like it". It would piss you off most surely. I for one, if I was the slacking coworker would be upset at myself for messing someone else up. Food for thought.
And yeah a healer might only have to contribute 50% or less (it's not 50% in dungeons but anyways, for the sake of argument) than a dps but at least contribute and don't idle the whole dungeon.

[Rasylia]

Calling someone lazy isn't harassment, it's a wake up call to the fact they are not contributing to the team.
If you were at your workplace and have to meet a quota, let's say, sign 100 contracts for fluffly plushies deliveries. At the end of the day your boss comes in and says "hey, I need you to stay overtime, won't pay you and you have to sign the 80 contract your coworker didn't fill because he didn't feel like it". It would piss you off most surely. I for one, if I was the slacking coworker would be upset at myself for messing someone else up. Food for thought.
And yeah a healer might only have to contribute 50% or less (it's not 50% in dungeons but anyways, for the sake of argument) than a dps but at least contribute and don't idle the whole dungeon.

Except the healer did his job, everyone survived, and you will most likely never see them again. Why is it a problem if the expert roulette didnt finish in 10 Minutes, but in 11?
And please, stop with real life work comparisons. This is a game, meant to provide fun and (in some ways) challenge people. However, if those challenges are easily passed with 2 DPS Classes and a tank (or, in 24p raids, with equivalent more), there is no need for the healers to dps too.
Yes, if they dont want to be bored, or want to be better overall, they should do it! But its not mandatory for anything to succeed, nor should it be mandatory for you to be able to enjoy the game.
If you really need perfect runs, you shouldnt que DF...

[Erys]

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Número 1: healer did nothing, casted 4-15 spells the whole run and afk'd the rest. The rest of the team contributed with probably a thousand of pulsations each.
Number 2: healer dps doesn't cut only 1 minute of time. And it's not only about the time, it's about making your tank and dps work far harder. Your tank will have to use more cooldowns if you don't dps, the dps will run out of offensive cooldowns and or resources; snowballing into the next pull being slower and bosses sloppier.
3: real life comparisons work. Even if this is a game there are 4 people in the team in dungeons. All 4 want to have fun. What is not fun for anyone is the extra stress from having to effort further because 1 crank in the engine is not spinning. And I use real life comparisons because english is not my mother tongue and it makes it easier for me to express myself.
4: it's also not mandatory for me to aoe, or use any skills at all. Autoattack will kill the mobs eventually.
And MOST IMPORTANT, number 5: I don't need perfect runs, don't want them either. I just want everyone in the run to put effort (not perfect effort, no one is perfect), and afk'ing is not putting effort, no matter how you slice it.
At least I'm happy that you tried to put a normal human being argument together. Thank you for tending a bridge between the two sides, I appreciate that *insert here thumbs up emoji*

[Cidel]

Looking forward to waking-up and seeing this thread argument on page 30 and beyond.

[Rasylia]

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#1 Contribution never mattered in this game.
#2 People keep saying "its okay to only do little damage, at least do dmg" so this isnt exactly applying.
#3 If you can only have fun if the other people do what you want them to do you are not really fit to play multiplayer games
#4 healer doing his job = healing
You doing your job = DPS-ing.
If healer doesnt heal = Blame him
If you dont properly DPS = Blame you.

Stop making weird comparisons.
If the healer doesnt dps (the extra thing) he is still doing his thing = healing.
If you stop doing proper dps, you arent doing your thing correctly anymore.

[Yahallo]

Stop making weird comparisons.
If the healer doesnt dps (the extra thing) he is still doing his thing = healing.
If you stop doing proper dps, you arent doing your thing correctly anymore.

By that logic and assuming we are going by how fights didn't include Healer DPS as part of their design, most DPS players aren't doing their job since fights were designed under the assumption that DPS classes were doing 80-90% of their maximum potential, and boy, most DPS's definitely do not do that amount.

If we go by a literal logic, as long as a DPS class is doing enough damage to clear the content before the time limit, then they are doing their job, which is to deal enough damage to clear the content before time is up.

Well, guess as a tank I am going to go pull everything, including the kitchen sink and their grandmothers, so the healers can heal to their hearts content.