Healer dps in stormblood.

[Kaurie]

I only included the base rotation skill since spell like assize have long cooldown so they have minimal impact on the overall dps. In burst situation I agree healer are probably stronger, but fights are designed for sustain dps and not burst dps.

And while I agree that we have stronger nuke, the point of my post is to show the weakness of our DOTs

Leaving out Assize on WHM DPS is like leaving out Deathflare in SMN's DPS. it's on a long cooldown, but it still contributes significantly.

[LegoTechnic]

Leaving out Assize on WHM DPS is like leaving out Deathflare in SMN's DPS. it's on a long cooldown, but it still contributes significantly.

This is just looking at dots versus single target situations mainly, which is why AoE skills are not included. As an instant with 300 potency, using Assize is always a DPS gain over Stone IV no matter how many targets, though it's obviously even better in AoE situations.

[Kaurie]

This is just looking at dots versus single target situations mainly, which is why AoE skills are not included. As an instant with 300 potency, using Assize is always a DPS gain over Stone IV no matter how many targets, though it's obviously even better in AoE situations.

Indeed, Assize is a great DPS ability on ST as well, and will AoE heal your team (with the cleric stance change) which means you can DPS more.

[winsock]

So my question to SE is : Are Healer supposed to DPS in stormblood?
All 3 healers now end up with lower dps than in Heavensward and our DOTs have become increasingly weaker.
In many case, especially for SCH and WHM, it will be now better to simply spam our main nuke and ignore our DOTs.

Yes, healers should DPS in stormblood. They even made DPSing more convenient with dmg now scaling with MND.
Note that in HW, there are already instances where you would not cast Aero III because of mob HP, but for WHM especially you get so much burst for that short period that your numbers will look great regardless

Whether or not dots will be worthwhile depends almost completely on the encounter. There is very little you can predict from the info we currently have.

Not much changes balance wise. SCH is usually the least ideal dungeon runner that is likely to be the case in SB as well. At least you get a secure spot at end game!

[Eloah]

But we lose the ability to stack dots as well as they auto upgrade by level, so yes all healers are losing dps in sb, whm will have aero 2, aero3, stone 4, they lose aero one at level 70 and 60 i believe, astro losing , combust one , once they get combust 2, and scholar is losing a dot as well. So it seems like dps is def gona take an overall nerf from healers and tanks

SCH is losing 3 DoTs, AST 2 and WHM 1

Yes, healers should DPS in stormblood. They even made DPSing more convenient with dmg now scaling with MND.
Note that in HW, there are already instances where you would not cast Aero III because of mob HP, but for WHM especially you get so much burst for that short period that your numbers will look great regardless

Whether or not dots will be worthwhile depends almost completely on the encounter. There is very little you can predict from the info we currently have.

Not much changes balance wise. SCH is usually the least ideal dungeon runner that is likely to be the case in SB as well. At least you get a secure spot at end game!

How was/is SCH the least ideal dungeon runner. People were always happy to see me cause they "knew" I would DPS. Now I cant contribute shite.

[winsock]

How was/is SCH the least ideal dungeon runner. People were always happy to see me cause they "knew" I would DPS. Now I cant contribute shite.

WHM and AST at equal skill and item level will typically be able to contribute more than SCH to party DPS in a dungeon.

[Eloah]

WHM and AST at equal skill and item level will typically be able to contribute more than SCH to party DPS in a dungeon.

The point was missed. There is, or was now I guess, a reason Scholar is the DPS off-healer. While DPS was wanted by all healers, its expected from SCH. We had the best DPS of the 3 healers.

[winsock]

The point was missed. There is, or was now I guess, a reason Scholar is the DPS off-healer. While DPS was wanted by all healers, its expected from SCH. We had the best DPS of the 3 healers.

SCH can typically provide the best DPS in a raiding environment. They don't have the best paper DPS. They offer a substantial amount of healing and support while DPSing, are very good with mp, and less impacted by movement. They are the dps'er because they are so flexible and stable.

However, when hps checks drop, mp requirements are lessened, and you move closer to paper DPS, WHM wins. In a dungeon environment, this is typically the case.

[Sebazy]

SCH's DPS viability in dungeons depends greatly on the rest of the group. I have all 3 jobs levelled and geared but will always go with SCH for solo queue.

WHM has a significant advantage if you go in with rock solid DPSers. AST is somewhat behind primarily due to the relative limitations of their stun vs WHMs, but then even a single target balance shines when you're throwing it on a SMN doing 3k+ DPS. Enhanced balances on the opening two pulls of Sohm Al on a geared SMN who knows what they are doing is eye opening to say the least.

SCH comes into it's own for solo queue roulettes imo. The worse your DPS are, the more effective SCH becomes, not being MP constrained is a huge factor if you land a pair of soso DPSers.

I can consistently sustain 1.5k+ dps across the entire instance as SCH with average DPSers (~1.5k-2k DPS), the magic number for expert seems to be around 4.5k to 5k, once the DPS and Tank are managing more than that, then my DPS starts to tail off dropping to around 1.2k-1.3k on average. For WHM I'm a pretty consistent 1.5k, on AST I typically see around 1.2k, both figures seem pretty consistent but will fall off a cliff with particularly bad group DPS.

[HappyHubris]

Hopefully content is tuned for healers to full-time heal instead of being a healing/DPS hybrid.