Warrior and paying for skills the other two use for free, among other thoughts

[Liyonn]

If Xenosys Vex started screaming his head off about WAR utility in Stormblood I might be concerned. But as it stands, I'm just excited to get in there and get my hands on it.

What makes Xeno's opinion more valuable than that of another Warriors? We all play the same job. Just because he takes the time to create a video guide for Warrior doesn't make him any more of an expert than any other warriors who play at a high level. I've been playing warrior at an end-game level since 2.1, cleared Creator savage months before echo was added. Just LOOK at what Warrior has in it's tool kit please. Tell me what kind of Party Utility that Warriors bring to the table that other jobs do not? Literally only a self esuna every so often. No fight will EVER be designed in a way that would specifically require Shake It Off. So we can't ever assume that it'll get serious use. It'll just save a healer's gcd. Good in a sense but that's all it does. Means 1 more Stone IV. Whoopdyflippindo. Warrior has lost any and all self identifying features beyond it's Fell Cleave. It lost it's signature burst to Paladin in the form of berserk change to 30%. It has lost it's incredibly useful (for ANY content) raid-wide 10% damage mitigation. It lost it's signature slashing debuff to Nin and Sam (which we all are glad for). And it gained nothing in exchange. Absolutely nothing.

If you aren't screaming in rage by now you can't call yourself a Warrior. There's literally no reason to take a warrior now. Other than "oh because I feel like it", we bring nothing to the table. We have nothing to offer our 7 other teammates. We're like what Monks were in 3.0. I don't want to feel like dead weight to my party for playing a job I enjoy. I don't want to feel that if I played another Job we'd be performing better as a team. No one wants to be the jerk that holds the group back, Warriors as of right now are just that. I pray it's not so on release but what if it is?

[Hakane_Mitsu]

What makes Xeno's opinion more valuable than that of another Warriors? We all play the same job.

Except he can actually play the class to it's potential compared to 95%+ of all the warriors.

[AristocraticCorgi]

What makes Xeno's opinion more valuable than that of another Warriors? We all play the same job.

It just so happens that he is one of the top warriors in the entire game. He knows about tanking what a Ph.D. in physics would know about quantum mechanics.

Do you argue with a Ph.D. in physics about quantum mechanics with your B.A. in creative writing?

[bounddreamer]

It just so happens that he is one of the top warriors in the entire game. He knows about tanking what a Ph.D. in physics would know about quantum mechanics.

Do you argue with a Ph.D. in physics about quantum mechanics with your B.A. in creative writing?

Basically, this.

As well as the fact that Stormblood isn't out yet, we don't know what it has in store, we don't know how hard things will hit, everything shown was advertised repeatedly as still being in development and subject to change, and I'm just plain sick of all this "sky is falling" crying forum b.s.

"If you aren't screaming in rage by now you can't call yourself a Warrior."

You don't get to decide that for anyone but yourself.

[aleph_null]

It just so happens that he is one of the top warriors in the entire game. He knows about tanking what a Ph.D. in physics would know about quantum mechanics.

Do you argue with a Ph.D. in physics about quantum mechanics with your B.A. in creative writing?

Except he can actually play the class to it's potential compared to 95%+ of all the warriors.

While Tovaras isn't as famous as Xeno he's definitely a really good war and he knows what he's talking about.

[FeliAiko]

No offence to Xeno, since he does make decent (albeit very long sometimes) guides and raid vids but he's like not World #1 WAR or anything to the point where his views are Word of God.

The issues people are finding with WAR are coming from those who also know how to play the job at a high level so to dismiss their collective views because you haven't seen Xeno making a video about it only makes you lot appear as stupid sheep.

[Steelbreeze]

No offence to Xeno, since he does make decent (albeit very long sometimes) guides and raid vids but he's like not World #1 WAR or anything to the point where his views are Word of God.

The issues people are finding with WAR are coming from those who also know how to play the job at a high level so to dismiss their collective views because you haven't seen Xeno making a video about it only makes you lot appear as stupid sheep.

It's pretty much the exact opposite of being a sheep. Reserving judgement for personal experience or experience of a known credible source is not being a sheep.

[FeliAiko]

It's pretty much the exact opposite of being a sheep. Reserving judgement for personal experience or experience of a known credible source is not being a sheep.

Dismissing or co-signing an argument because of the person behind it - rather than the actual merit of the point itself - is being a sheep. If you're not educated enough on WAR to agree or disagree with the topic then that's one thing, but to be like 'Oh Xeno hasn't said anything yet so you're wrong OP, your view doesn't matter' deems anything you have to say irrelevant.

[Steelbreeze]

Dismissing or co-signing an argument because of the person behind it - rather than the actual merit of the point itself - is being a sheep. If you're not educated enough on WAR to agree or disagree with the topic then that's one thing, but to be like 'Oh Xeno hasn't said anything yet so you're wrong OP, your view doesn't matter' deems anything you have to say irrelevant.

That was only half of the equation. In any event, dismissing random uninformed opinions on favor of ones developed by yourself or by a trusted figure is not being a sheep. Seeing as how none of the people in this thread have raided a couple months from now, no opinions formed currently can be reliable in the first place.

[aleph_null]

Seeing as how none of the people in this thread have raided a couple months from now, no opinions formed currently can be reliable in the first place.

I'm getting tired of this. Yes, you can form reliable opinions, theories, rotations, openers based on the data we know so far. Potencies can change, yes, so are our opinions, theories, rotations, openers. But unless they do some major rework on our core mechanics or change the potencies in a very extreme way, most of the arguments here about stance dancing cost wouldn't change much, if they even do. A lot of the great players have done some theorycrafting on their jobs. Xeno came up with the straightforward berserk rotation with 6 cleaves and a path combo and an upheaval. Thendiel came up with a new drg opener as well as theories about aligning 2nd bfb with the red botd. Aiurily did something similar with brd/mch, Laqi did it for blm/smn, and I believe many other that I don't know/remember have done so. Yes the devs can change potencies and some effects, then we can adjust the rotations too. It's not like they're gonna turn these jobs into completely different things, scrapping everything they showed in the live letter.