So with all of this consolidation Why do we still have 4 different Fires?

[Eloah]

This thread is about asking for more 4.x BLM changes though, I don't know why you're commenting if you don't care to inform yourself about the topic.

As the OP, I can say that is not what this thread is about. This thread was asking why if they were going to merge similar skill and create ways of replacing/adjusting how those skills are accessed, why nothing happened to certain skills; the Fire/Blizzard skills are just a prime example because there are 4 versions. This thread was asking peoples expectations and thoughts, which so few people decided to do. Instead, a good number of people just want to state the obvious, move on, not give it any thought, and bash those who do.

Maybe Square-Enix should give BLM an ability that toggles their Ice and Fire spells?

Example:
THM Lv 4 gets Fire and Blizzard
THM Lv 10 "aoe ability name here"
THM Lv 18 gets Fire II and Blizzard II
BLM Lv 31 gets Fire III and Blizzard III

"aoe ability name here", when active, will grant aoe to those spells at their respective level.

I'm only BLM Lv39 or 40 (can't remember), so I don't know the job.

You are doing fine, you gave it more thought than most, and this idea would even fit into old school FF design where you could target all enemies at a reduced potency. Good work.

Fire III and Blizzard III replace your Transpose skill, so making them 'toggle' between Astral/Umbral phases wouldn't work.

This is inaccurate, and stating it might confuse newer players. It's more accurate to say Fire III and Blizzard III makes swapping the stances easier. And the toggle she meant wasn't Fire spell under one and Blizzard spell under the other it was toggling single target vs AoE.

So you want the rotation to be this?

Blizzard III > Enochian > Fire III > Fire IV until low MP > Blizzard III > Blizzard IV > Thunder > Fire IV

You can't even use Fire III with the way you have things set up (can only be used under Umbral). I'm happy with how things are for BLM now and in SB.

And if things were balanced correctly, Fire III would still serve its main purpose and be placed on the back burner until proced, like it is now. We are only stating what we thought would have happened since we knew a consolidation was coming, and since we knew Thunder was part of the consolidation we expected the Fire and Blizzard spells to be included as well. We were also expecting to see Burst as the AoE Thunder, but we know thats didn't make it.

Now I would appreciate it if people would stop bashing anyone who shares their opinion about the battle changes, what they expected and what they thought might of worked. This was a thread to express ideas, not belittle those who have them. I said it in my first post, dont state the obvious. Too many people are just stating the obvious and indicating anyone who shares an idea is dumb and does get BLM. So please just stop.

[Nestama]

You should always expect people to disagree when it comes to the General Discussion forum. I main BLM and I disagree with the ideas some people have made and am happy with how BLM is turning out (it's definitely going to be easier to play than it was in HW). Fire spells cannot be consolidated for reasons you know why. Blizzard I is probably the only spell that can be consolidated, since it's mostly a filler spell.

I've said it once before, but I'll say it again: BLM is arguably the easiest Job to play in FFXIV, even in HW once you get used to it (more so than MNK, DRG, NIN, SMN, etc). Some of the ideas people are coming up with just make it sound like they want BLM to go back to being a Level 44 rotation, or a level 6 rotation. That's boring.

And it's not inaccurate to say Fire III and Blizzard III replaces Transpose. The only time you would ever use Transpose after level 40+ is if you use Flare (and don't have Convert/Ethers), trash mobs die and you're in Astral, or the boss decides to jump off screen because SE likes making bosses do that for whatever obnoxious reason... or you really mess up your rotation and have MP below Blizzard III's minimal cost (this shouldn't happen).

[alimdia]

As the OP, I can say that is not what this thread is about.

??? Any possible change to Fire would happen after 4.x, your entire OP mentions the merges that are happening in 4.0 and why BLM didn't get more 4.0 merges, so why are you trying to argue now that this thread is not about 4.0 changes?

If you wanted thoughts you can't just invalidate the most obvious one straight off the bat.

Now I would appreciate it if people would stop bashing anyone who shares their opinion about the battle changes, what they expected and what they thought might of worked. This was a thread to express ideas, not belittle those who have them. I said it in my first post, dont state the obvious. Too many people are just stating the obvious and indicating anyone who shares an idea is dumb and does get BLM. So please just stop.

If anyone is getting hostile here is you, people are free to counter-argue any point made here, saying why a change would be bad is not belittling anyone, and you can't moderate what people are allowed to discuss.

If for example someone says they wishes thunder 4 refreshed astral fire or had 5000 potency anyone is free to point out why it's a bad idea. If you don't like that there are blogs where you can force your opinion on those who wish to read it.

[MrSmiley]

Its simple really, stone 2-3-4 are straight up replacements, the fires and blizzards each have their own individual purpose.

[Eloah]

??? Any possible change to Fire would happen after 4.x, your entire OP mentions the merges that are happening in 4.0 and why BLM didn't get more 4.0 merges, so why are you trying to argue now that this thread is not about 4.0 changes?

If you wanted thoughts you can't just invalidate the most obvious one straight off the bat.

Just, please, stop.

You should always expect people to disagree when it comes to the General Discussion forum. I main BLM and I disagree with the ideas some people have made and am happy with how BLM is turning out (it's definitely going to be easier to play than it was in HW). Fire spells cannot be consolidated for reasons you know why. Blizzard I is probably the only spell that can be consolidated, since it's mostly a filler spell.

I've said it once before, but I'll say it again: BLM is arguably the easiest Job to play in FFXIV, even in HW once you get used to it (more so than MNK, DRG, NIN, SMN, etc). Some of the ideas people are coming up with just make it sound like they want BLM to go back to being a Level 44 rotation, or a level 6 rotation. That's boring.

And it's not inaccurate to say Fire III and Blizzard III replaces Transpose. The only time you would ever use Transpose after level 40+ is if you use Flare (and don't have Convert/Ethers), trash mobs die and you're in Astral, or the boss decides to jump off screen because SE likes making bosses do that for whatever obnoxious reason... or you really mess up your rotation and have MP below Blizzard III's minimal cost (this shouldn't happen).

You are correct i should expect minor disagreements but some of the stuff I read was more like backlash and not a rebuttal. But, you have been respectful throughout your exchanges. Oh and in regard to Transpose, true after level 40+ the third tier spells should be used instead of Transpose. I only indicated it was inaccurate to say it replaces it because of the examples you gave. But we could just be using different thought processes in this regard