Who is jumping ship once they start charging in November?

[irongripz]

the people who actually matter at this point in time

guess when the time comes our opinions wont matter then either. you made my point for me basically and i have to agree. this is a one sided debate and the thread should be closed. our opinions don't matter so why even let us post. let the majority speak on the other sites, and don't let the minority here have a opinion. that is why when one person makes a post six of you jump out and attack it.

again request all these threads like this to be locked. hidden in never never land. the wyne has spoken our opinions don't matter.

[Preypacer]

they do not count because a good reason Not paying the sub fee makes thier opinion invalid?

No, it makes it invalid because on sites like ZAM and such, they don't even have to own the game to begin with in order to post their opinion. People who haven't even so much as purchased the game, much less with an active character, have nothing to lose or gain by subs being reinstated. They are unaffected. Yet, they can still cast a vote.

It's kind of moot to ask someone if "they intend to leave when Subs start" when they don't have the game in the first place and may have no interest in playing it at all. Why should their opinion matter?

Here on FFXIV we can guarantee 1 thing about 100% of the people posting: They own the game and have at least 1 active character in the game. They've invested money in the game, have (ostensibly) played it and stand to be affected by the subs going active. If they do not wish to pay, they don't get to play the game any further. If they do wish to pay the sub, they do get to continue playing. Either way, they are affected. This makes their feedback relevant.

Also, the feedback of those here is actually based on knowledge of the game itself, what state its in, etc. They've played the game, they've seen the changes over time, if they've been here since the start (and a lot have), they can see where the game is now compared to where it was before Yoshi took over. Theirs is an informed opinion.

And, frankly, anyone who's spent any time on non-official game forums knows that there are plenty of people out there who love to go into the forums for games they don't like and do the best they can to trash, troll, bash and flame the game and the people who play it in any way they can. Or they could simply be casting a vote to say "I wouldn't pay a sub for the game", because they had no intention of doing so anyway.

Let me ask you this, and please answer honestly, would you be so quick to dismiss the results of the "polls" on this site if they leaned more toward the negative?

how do you know that the people are posting in ffxiv forums is a Majority to begin with?

It doesn't have to be. It's representative of a portion of the playerbase as a whole, as is any game's forum community. When polls are conducted, pollsters don't go around asking every single person in a given demographic their opinion. They get a sampling and then extrapolate the outcome based on the results.

It's no less valid as a poll than those on other sites that people are quick to cite as "more representative". The only difference here - and it is a substantial difference - is that there's a control in place on these forums, in that the people voting have to actually have an account and an active character in game to "like" one post or the other. The results can't be tainted by people who don't own the game casting their "vote" anyway.

posting in denial, do you? why would SE care if make a section called the "general discussion forums"? why would yoshida care by Going around the world for interviews after announcing the roadmap? Even here they do take account on the minority too!

Betelgeuzah isn't posting in denial. He's raising valid points... You simply disagree with his perspective and, clearly, can't tolerate someone not seeing things the way you do... thus you accuse them of "posting in denial".

As for why Yoshi is traveling the world and doing all these interviews. It's called PR.

Every game has people who do a ton of interviews after any major announcement, update, etc. Hell, actors do the PR circuit when a new movie is announced. Bands do the PR circuit when a new CD or Tour is announced, etc. It's not neven limited to gaming.

Yoshi isn't going to all these interviews simply to get "feedback on whether or not people want to sub". That topic doesn't even come up unless the interviewer specifically asks them about it. He was asked about it by a few interviewers because it was obviously big news for the game having had no fees for all this time.

The subscription questions have been asked multiple times now. The answers have been given and everyone who's interested should know by now what SE's stance is on it. There's no need to pursue it further, not with a bunch of new information that could be obtained about FFXIV's future and is, frankly, far more interesting.

A new interview was recently posted here with a website ending in .de (I can't remember the full URL). The subject of subscriptions is never even brought up.

[Preypacer]

guess when the time comes our opinions wont matter then either. you made my point for me basically and i have to agree. this is a one sided debate and the thread should be closed. our opinions don't matter so why even let us post. let the majority speak on the other sites, and don't let the minority here have a opinion. that is why when one person makes a post six of you jump out and attack it.

again request all these threads like this to be locked. hidden in never never land. the wyne has spoken our opinions don't matter.

Get off the cross, iron.

We need the wood.

No one's stopping you from responding and no one's saying your feedback don't matter. Your opinion is simply in the minority. If you can't cope with that, then that's your problem. It's not a reason to close the thread, however.

[Rinsui]

again request all these threads like this to be locked. hidden in never never land. the wyne has spoken our opinions don't matter.

Pretty much that. It's natural that those people still playing a game defend it.
But it's questionable if those who have shown to weather even the crapstorm
they were thrown into at launch
should really be those who decide the future of this game.

I fear that we will lose quite a few whistleblowers in november.

[Betelgeuzah]

But it's questionable if those who have shown to weather even the crapstorm
they were thrown into at launch
should really be those who decide the future of this game.

Up until 2.0, why not exactly?

[Preypacer]

Pretty much that. It's natural that those people still playing a game defend it.
But it's questionable if those who have shown to weather even the crapstorm
they were thrown into at launch
should really be those who decide the future of this game.

I fear that we will lose quite a few whistleblowers in november.

Oh give it up already with the closed-minded spin-doctoring and dismissive generalizations.

Good lord some of you people are ridiculous when people don't see things your way.

There are plenty of people playing the game now who feel it still needs work, but also feel it's definitely going the right way and worthy of subscribing to.

There are some who feel it's going the right way but isn't quite "there" yet for them to feel alright about sub'ing.

There are some who completely hate the direction it's taken, would like nothing more than for Tanaka to punch Yoshi's lights out and "take his game back".

There are some who will complain about everything and anything just to get attention.

A variety of opinions and perspectives are well-presented on these boards. Not everyone who's willing to pay a sub "feel the game is perfect". Plenty of them feel the game definitely still needs work and are going to be paying close attention to where it goes in the coming months, but still feel that it's worth a subscription as it is right now.

There are a number of people on here alone that were in the "No way, ain't playing it" camp for quite a long time who've since come around to change their opinion of the game and its status going forward.

Up until 1.18, I'd pretty much resigned myself to the game dying and that being the end of it.

As of 1.18 that perspective started to change. With 1.19 it was all but a complete turn around. Seeing the road-map ahead and what Yoshi has laid out for 1.20, I am feeling much more confident about the game, I can see with my own eyes and based on my own experiences in game now how far it's come. I would pay a sub fee if they activated them now. I certainly feel it will be even more worthwhile after 1.2 when they intend on actually implementing it.

Not everyone complaining about the game is a "whistleblower". Some are just trolls looking for attention, or simply people expressing a dislike of one aspect or another.

Not everyone supporting the game is someone who will happily lap up whatever SE throws at them. Some are simply saying, "Hey you know what, I'm enjoying myself in this game enough right now to pay a sub and continue playing".

The mentality you demonstrate is a horribly myopic way to look at things.

[Blarp]

Get off the cross, iron.

We need the wood.

No one's stopping you from responding and no one's saying your feedback don't matter. Your opinion is simply in the minority. If you can't cope with that, then that's your problem. It's not a reason to close the thread, however.

His opinion is in the majority. The few hundred thousand subs that haven't returned agree with him.

[Betelgeuzah]

His opinion is in the majority. The few hundred thousand subs that haven't returned agree with him.

lol, let's put that mindset into use.

I think that WoW isn't worth a sub fee. My opinion is in the majority because 7 billion minus 12 million people agree with me, plus few dogs.

[Blarp]

lol, let's put that mindset into use.

I think that WoW isn't worth a sub fee. My opinion is in the majority because 7 billion minus 12 million people agree with me, plus few dogs.

WoW also has almost 60% of market share. Why not use the relevant demographic? You're talking about the population of the world? Do I really need to point out why that's dumb?

[Cendres]

Why do people still go to any of those sites.... I mean other than the obvious (to troll).

Those "results" aren't really surprising or indicative of anything other than the people who hate this game, really go out of their way to let obscure community sites know about it.

Absolutely those sites are the worst places, or best places if you want to see drama and over-exaggeration. Also whenever the majority says something they end up doing the opposite anyway.. ^_^;