Redo the Crafting system.

[Silverbane]

Observation should pretty much be free. While it could technically be used to proc infinite cp from comfort zone you'd have to take a tell of a lot of turns to get something viable...

Not really. Each CZ only recovers 14CP. But for the 10 steps under CZ, each has a 9% chance of getting a G/E proc, which you'd use a Tricks of the Trade to convert into 20CP. On average, each CZ+10xObs would recover 32CP, and three would be enough to buy a Master's Mend or Manipulation.

But why even bother with CZ? Whenever you don't have a buff running, just activate your (ToT+Obs)x7 macro and go get a drink. If you don't recover some CP while you're away (there's about a 50/50 chance you will recover at least 20CP), hit the macro again.

And speaking of Manip, it replaces Master's Mend if Obs is free. Just do Manip+3xObs for 88CP (and hope for G/E procs too) instead of the 92CP Master's Mend.

So, conclusion: Observation breaks the system if it's free.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Not really. Each CZ only recovers 14CP. But for the 10 steps under CZ, each has a 9% chance of getting a G/E proc, which you'd use a Tricks of the Trade to convert into 20CP. On average, each CZ+10xObs would recover 32CP, and three would be enough to buy a Master's Mend or Manipulation.

But why even bother with CZ? Whenever you don't have a buff running, just activate your (ToT+Obs)x7 macro and go get a drink. If you don't recover some CP while you're away (there's about a 50/50 chance you will recover at least 20CP), hit the macro again.

And speaking ofManip, it replaces Master's Mend if Obs is free. Just do Manip+3xObs for 88CP (and hope for G/E procs too) instead of the 92CP Master's Mend.

So, conclusion: Observation breaks the system if it's free.

You're right if the CP cost for Observe is too low, then it'll break the game. My previous suggestion of 6 to 7 CP is definitely too low. Even 8 CP that you previously suggested is still too low. So I'd like to suggest the following.

Firstly,

CZ = -66
10 steps of CZ = +80
Net gain = +14

Currently, Observe cost 14 CP each

If no Good proc'ed, 10 steps of Observe = -140
Final CP = +14 (from CZ net gain) -140 = -126

If 2 steps proc'ed Good, then 8 steps of Observe and 2 steps of ToT = -112 +20 +20 = -72
Final CP = +14 (from CZ net gain) -72 = -58

If 3 steps proc'ed Good, then 7 steps of Observe and 3 steps of ToT = -98 +20 +20 +20 = -38
Final CP = +14 (from CZ net gain) -38 = -24

Mini Summary: So at the moment, unless there are 4 Good procs during the 10 steps of CZ, it's always gonna be a deficit on CP spamming Observe.


Now assuming Observe now cost only 11 CP...

If 3 steps proc'ed Good, then 7 steps of Observe and 3 steps of ToT = -77 +20 +20 +20 = -17
Final CP +14 (from CZ net gain) -17 = -3

Mini Summary: As you can see, even if Observe cost only 11 CP, one will still need 4 Good procs during CZ in order to gain any CP.

Conclusion: I think the current cost for Observe can be cut down to 11 CP, and it won't break the game.


Secondly,

I thought about having an addition to the skill: "Cost only 7 CP if remaining CP is 60 or fewer". This way, one cannot activate CZ, and then test their luck to regain CP via Trick of Trade by spamming Observe (cost 8 CP per step, while CZ replenishes 8 CP per step). However, I think someone would then activate CZ, and then total CP drops below 60, and now he/she can spam Observe... So at the end, I think Dzian's last suggestion could be partially taken... the cheaper version of Observe cannot be allowed while CZ is active. So I think the addition to the skill should be:
"Cost only 7 CP if remaining CP is 60 or fewer and while Comfort Zone is not active"

This change here would not only benefit end-game crafting, to make Observe a bit more useful towards the end of a rotation for procs, but it will also benefit beginner crafters, and teach them how to utilize procs very early in their career.

[Silverbane]

You're right if the CP cost for Observe is too low, then it'll break the game.
Conclusion: I think the current cost for Observe can be cut down to 11 CP, and it won't break the game.

Agreed. And your analysis assumed 3 G/E proces (3 ToTs) in 10 steps, which is pretty good luck, so even 7 CP would be OK: spamming CZ+Obs+(ToT on G/E) sometimes would be a CP win (if you got 3 or more G/E procs), but the odds of that are poor. At 7CP, 2 ToTs would almost be breakeven, and the odds of getting two procs is about 1%.

So I think the addition to the skill should be:
[B]"Cost only 7 CP if remaining CP is 60 or fewer and while Comfort Zone is not active"

I think that's an unnecessary complication. At 7CP, with a less than 1% chance of CZ+Obs spam being a CP gain and a large loss if it isn't, Obs isn't game breaking. Even at 6CP, CZ+Obs spam is usually a loss of CP.