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    So with all of this consolidation Why do we still have 4 different Fires?

    So, we all knew SE was going to consolidate and remove skills that weren't that useful, and some of those changes made sense. Upgrading the Thunder Spell, having your Warrior abilities swap depending on the stance, Making the Ninja Poisons a trait. But others didn't make sense, We still have Cure III; while it has its purpose, it was far too niche for most content, they got rid of Miasma II, okay not so bad, but you add Miasma III?, like what? But why on BLM do we still have 4 different versions of Fire and Blizzard. There was no way of consolidating any of those? like really?

    PS: if you respond, please don't state the obvious "they do different things" I'm sure we are all away are of that. My question is mostly if you were adjusting the battle system why ot adjust that aspect as well.
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    They do different things, therefore no reason to merge them.

    The whole point of the consolidation is merging skills that do the same thing, not merging skills that share the same name.
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    Their purposes are all too different to stack them. Would you rather lose fire 1 when it turns into fire 3 and be stuck with a really long cast time as your only damage? As in, you move, you gotta recast from the start. 4s will never be consolidated because they're enochian dependent and require the astral/umbral buffs to even use under enochian. 2s are our aoe so that's that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    They do different things, therefore no reason to merge them.

    The whole point of the consolidation is merging skills that do the same thing, not merging skills that share the same name.
    This is the exact reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    PS: if you respond, please don't state the obvious "they do different things" I'm sure we are all away are of that. My question is mostly if you were adjusting the battle system why ot adjust that aspect as well.
    So what would you do? Rename them? Have them all do the same thing but have to add new buttons that would handle aoe or single target? What would be the net gain?
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    The AOE ones should be renamed with the -ga suffix
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    If you look at Ruin Mastery it says, "Grants a 15% chance that Ruin and Ruin III are upgraded to Ruin IV after a pet uses spell or weaponskill." What stopped them from making Fire change to Fire III in the event you got a Firestarter proc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius View Post
    The AOE ones should be renamed with the -ga suffix
    In 1.X they were labeled as Fire/Blizzard/Thunder/ra/ga but the development team thought that was too confusing for players new to Final Fantasy in general, or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    So what would you do? Rename them? Have them all do the same thing but have to add new buttons that would handle aoe or single target? What would be the net gain?
    I'll take a stab at that...

    If it were up to me? I'd consolidate all the fire ranks except for 2 into one spell that scaled/improved with level. Cast time would stay at the default Fire I cast time. Fire II would be renamed (maybe Blaze?). The new consolidated Fire spell would become Fire IV automatically when its proper conditions were met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahn View Post
    If you look at Ruin Mastery it says, "Grants a 15% chance that Ruin and Ruin III are upgraded to Ruin IV after a pet uses spell or weaponskill." What stopped them from making Fire change to Fire III in the event you got a Firestarter proc?



    In 1.X they were labeled as Fire/Blizzard/Thunder/ra/ga but the development team thought that was too confusing for players new to Final Fantasy in general, or something.
    fire I , single, fire II aoe, Fire III , single, is that is confusing.

    aoe should have the ga, ra, etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    PS: if you respond, please don't state the obvious "they do different things" I'm sure we are all away are of that. My question is mostly if you were adjusting the battle system why ot adjust that aspect as well.
    That is the answer though, what do you expect? have fire I magically turn into fire III on insta proc? but you still need fire III hardcast to change umbrals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahn View Post
    In 1.X they were labeled as Fire/Blizzard/Thunder/ra/ga but the development team thought that was too confusing for players new to Final Fantasy in general, or something.
    Yeah. Instead we have Fire III/Blizzard III only BLMs because it makes sense that spells with the same name do the same thing and those with higher numbers attached are always stronger and better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius View Post
    The AOE ones should be renamed with the -ga suffix
    Quote Originally Posted by Vahn View Post
    If you look at Ruin Mastery it says, "Grants a 15% chance that Ruin and Ruin III are upgraded to Ruin IV after a pet uses spell or weaponskill." What stopped them from making Fire change to Fire III in the event you got a Firestarter proc?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    If it were up to me? I'd consolidate all the fire ranks except for 2 into one spell that scaled/improved with level. Cast time would stay at the default Fire I cast time. Fire II would be renamed (maybe Blaze?). The new consolidated Fire spell would become Fire IV automatically when its proper conditions were met.
    Thank you to those people who understood the reasoning for this post, to the majority of the rest of the comments, like really? I guess 1+1=3 doesn't it.
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