White Mage just might be okay

[Pinacolada7]

I don't think anyone doubts WHM can do content. AST was different because it was new and therefore unproven.

Was talking about savage in that case, i did every extreme and savage asap as AST - way too many people said you cant to it as AST. Stuff like that gets me fired up to hang in and spread the love xD

[javid]

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You are correct the tooltip does say 200 (up from 190) in addition to the base 15% healing buff [1.5*(200+140*6)=1196 potency a different of 146 potency between WHM and AST; virtually an additional tick...

I'll correct my previous posts.

[Niroken]

Was talking about savage in that case, i did every extreme and savage asap as AST - way too many people said you cant to it as AST. Stuff like that gets me fired up to hang in and spread the love xD

Well WHM will be able to heal savage for sure and I'm 100% sure that you will be able to go through savage 4.0 without the lily mechanic anyway. The problem being is if you had a choice to pick two of the three healers, why would you take WHM if they can all heal through savage?

[HopeEstheim]

Even as an AST main the reveal of the WHM abilities hit me hard [...] I love my class, and I loved it and mained it before we got any buffs, but this is ridiculous. Even now I feel a bit tainted when I play my AST. :/

Thank you, I feel exactly the same. I didn't expected those abilities for WHM at all, it's really sad. It might sound crazy, but I actually want NERFS to my own job (AST of course) because, even if I loved it since day 1, I don't want to feel like playing an OP job. I healed since 2.0, and I think I'll quit healing altogether because of it. I don't wanna play a job that get all the hate for being overpowered and apparently "destroyed WHM". I know we didn't asked anything, many of us don't want that, but it's still a game, and feeling guilty for playing a job that you love is really depressing.
At least Diurnal is 10% healing in JP tooltip, but, just get rid of ANY sect bonus SE. It was nice at release, now it's not. It's ok if we have an hard time healing, look at our buffs, make it our identity (high risk/high reward) but don't give us that stupid 900 potency AoE heal...

[Ceasaria]

WHM will be okay because AST will take the place of SCH (how people cannot see that 690 potency shield against 300 from scholar, lol ?)

Ty Rhett for your positive message. It's good to see analysis.
I want to add, for the link with total damage potency, that if you give 20% critical to each healer (like it is now), WHM will just outdps the two other.
And, you didn't even use Presence of Mind in your calculs.
I can not wait anymore. I need to play WHM.

[javid]

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I briefly answered this question in a previous post/forum. There are all kinds of compositions that offer all kinds of niche utilities. Not every composition lends to the same advantage.

While in general ppl want and like the idea of getting the "best comp" to increase party dps! However those higher party dps composition tend to be less forgetting for mistakes and dealing with uncertainties.

When you're first starting out you may want to pick a SCH/WHM comp over AST/anything, b/c WHM still offers the best consistent AOE heals in game and sch covers all single target healing and still has all the healing utilities in game mostly used. In addition you might bring a mnk for 20% mantra; a PLD for consistent reliable MTing, a smn/rdm for additional raises, and a brd/mch for tp/mp. Now would such a party be the best composition for HIGH DPS??? probably not...but it would be most forgiving for progression; and even after progression it would be more secure for players unable to reliable perform at the high efficiency TOP DPS RAID COMP might require!

At some point we might have to relent to the idea that SE actually wants WHM to be the easiest healer to play but at the same time, the least rewarding healer to play since it's so forgiving!

[Yorumi]

WHM will be okay because AST will take the place of SCH (how people cannot see that 690 potency shield against 300 from scholar, lol ?)

Sch still has fey wind and the new crit buff. Part of me really wonders if the meta won't just ignore entirely the fact that cards don't stack and go to a ast/ast meta. If nothing else the second ast could just convert their cards into lords and spread a balance for when the main one doesn't get it on a draw. Basically have perma balance uptime.

[dark494]

Isn't SCH's supposed new "utility" garbage though? Chain Stratagem I mean. Last I heard it's just bad because it doesn't do what litany does, aka multiplicative vs additive.

Example, with a base crit of 10%, litany adds to this (10+15=25%), while stratagem multiplies it (10*1.20=12%). I'd hardly call that utility.

[Niroken]

I briefly answered this question in a previous post/forum. There are all kinds of compositions that offer all kinds of niche utilities. Not every composition lends to the same advantage.

While in general ppl want and like the idea of getting the "best comp" to increase party dps! However those higher party dps composition tend to be less forgetting for mistakes and dealing with uncertainties.

I've been with a few statics and the bottleneck has been the DPS checks every time to the point where the other healer has to contribute and it generally gets easier when you get better gear. I'm not sure if it's different for other people but the only time it got dicey was when we had to go full DPS mode to meet a check.

[javid]

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Ahh SCH received no nerfs to their healing utilities..
While in general AST's new buffs is INSANE in both WHM and SCH modes..... like the shield you mentioned 300 vs 690 LULZ!!
SCH still has more utility than AST in the single target healing department
Example SCH still has all her/his fey's and HoTs; while AST doesn't have anything unique to compete with those utilities
AST wins in terms of instant heals comparing Earth star vs Indom (but you can use indom more often to get more potency)
AST has Synastry which is OP at 40% single target, but sch has 2 healing buffs dissipation and Fey illumination(and fey buffs every's heals) that can combine for 40% and be used to benefit aoe;
AST wins with their helio 345 potency vs SCH emergency tactic succor of 300 potency-- still comparable
Scared soil and Collective Unconscious are tied b/c of situational benefits -mobility and regen and recast time are the factors.
of course nobody is touching AST card system..... but in terms of dps... at least SCH has its own form of Battle litany and its a shorter recast than the real thing...
AST Aspect Benefic saw a nice lil bump! But it can't match the Embrace spam every 3 sec (effective_Hots : AB 199pot/tick Embrace 300pot/tick) And sch retained rouse which increase pet efficiency by 40%!
Last thing we can mention about AST is they do have the RNG potential to use "bad" draws on a 500 potency ogcd heal.... basically every 30 sec u get a potential 50/50....that really nice and dependable over a long fight sequence that you'll get more than none.

Moral of this story only way SCH gets displaced by AST is if the raid needs the uber AOE HEALS that only the WHM can provide consistently.... otherwise in optimal dps compositions its gonna be AST/SCH or AST/AST....