Just cancelled my pre-order.

[Okamimaru]

Quitting because they adapted whm to conform to a new meta seems reasonable to me... if you can't adapt then you certainly won't be welcomed in raids and endgame content... so quitting probably for the best... it's not like they changed most of the classes or anything... dps roles losing several buffs, Aoe dropping off.... tanks actually having to be in tank stance to tank, losing personal dps.... personally I'm looking forward to the change...

[Velox]

You don't have to quit, just start playing AST. If only 10% of the population is playing WHM when SB hits then you KNOW SE will see it and make changes

[velw]

Congratulations. You win.

Thank you. I hope others who feel the same way will still have time to do the same if they wish. That's one reason I posted about this here - for awareness. Others on the boards have suggested (in error) that it is no longer possible to cancel (may depend on retailer). Cancelling the pre-order means not getting special pre-order items. But I'd rather have my money in my bank account and see how things go.

Wow really!? Just because of WHM?

It's the job I spend most of my in-game time playing.

This is very very dramatic of you.... if you don't like it play red mage it something

Not sure why I'd spend ¥4,000 on an expansion likely to degrade my experience of the game, to play a job that I don't want to play. There are other things I can do with my time.

[Alkimi]

What a silly thread TBH, this isn't WoW, the job system ensures that if your preferred class doesn't quite fit the bill you can simply hop to the nearest alternative that does with very little negative impact on your progression (Especially so with a level cap reset hitting at the same time).

I'm still sticking with WHM as the healer I'll use (I main BLM but I play healer a fair bit). I know it doesn't look fantastic atm but I just find the other healers less satisfying to play.

WHM isn't getting worse. There's a lot of over-reaction here. It's not as if it's going to be almost unuseable like 2.0 WAR and 3.0 AST were.

[javid]

You guys are still going about it all wrong... WHM didn't become nonviable......THE MAJORITY OF YOU PPL ARE NOT GONNA OPTIMIZE AND OR BE ABLE TO CONSISTENTLY OPTIMIZE THE APM REQUIREMENTS THAT AST POSES OVER WHM TO CONSISTENTLY NOTICE THE BENEFITS OF AST >WHM...... and even less of you will be able to efficiently play SCH to the level needed to demonstrate the even smaller gap between those 2......

Most of you are just trolls following what the elites dictate down to the masses as "THOU SHALL PLAY LIKE I PLAY IF YOU WANNA BE GUDDER...."

It can be SE's intent to place an easy to grasp and manage healer (WHM) that helps you complete all content in game sufficiently.... Maybe... SE wants by design to make SCH/AST comp to be highest raid utility/dps since the combo requires the most attention to detail of all the comps (with maybe AST/AST being extreme hardest and marginally beneficial over AST/SCH in some situations).

moral of the story...most of you should just relax you weren't gonna attempt speed clears or min/max anyways.....just stawwp....

[DreamAngel-Ren]

My sister mains the WHM 24/7 and she's disappointed too, BUT she's not going to stop/leave the game over something that can EASILY be modified - of course it's going to take time, but she can play as AST until they solve the WHM issue.

Have you even tried the other healing classes?? How do you know if you don't like it if you never even try it?

[Sebazy]

WHMs are already shunned from savage/EX content until Echo comes (or kicked from DF/RF groups and not allowed into PF groups).

This is as much an issue with the player base being idiots than any 'problem' WHMs have. A PLD is a hinderance in many portions of Creator Savage, a WHM isn't.

WHM isn't getting worse. There's a lot of over-reaction here. It's not as if it's going to be almost unuseable like 2.0 WAR and 3.0 AST were.

Absolutely. The likelihood of us seeing Gordias grade DPS checks where a timed balance might actually be required for some groups is pretty slim. It might not be the choice for an fflogs allstar, but it'll be perfectly capable and whilst undergeared during the first few weeks, it's going to be a safer & steadier pair of hands than AST IMO.

[velw]

And no loses were noticed.

On the contrary, I notice that I haven't lost ¥4,000 on a game I don't think I'll enjoy playing right now.

I dont blame you really, i feel let down too. And honestly if when those patch notes go up and i dont see improvement i might not bother with SB until its fixed.

That's what I'd like to see - a fix (although it sounds like that won't be trivial given the extent of the changes). Until now I've enjoyed the game a great deal and it's a shame to see something good, that people care about, get screwed up. So I hope the developers will pay attention to what many people are saying here and elsewhere. If they do something to address the concerns I'll have another look at it.

[Saraphin]

This is as much an issue with the player base being idiots than any 'problem' WHMs have. A PLD is a hinderance in many portions of Creator Savage, a WHM isn't.

not saying it's just SE, but it is the players being idiots and going "BUT THE META!" and SotR actually addressed this where they said (paraphrased) "we all make the jokes and stuff and we min-max and because people watch us doing that they're taking it as the only way. with all the changes going on, this is going to be bad" and they all agreed that the "Meta" isn't the only way, it's the "Min-Max" way and players (even casual ones) are taking it as the "Bible o'Raid" and that's not "good".

if I recall correctly, that's what i got out of it, but if someone else wants to watch it (roughly 1:45:00 in) and give their take on what was said, that would be helpful.

[Metsonm]

You guys are still going about it all wrong... WHM didn't become nonviable......THE MAJORITY OF YOU PPL ARE NOT GONNA OPTIMIZE AND OR BE ABLE TO CONSISTENTLY OPTIMIZE THE APM REQUIREMENTS THAT AST POSES OVER WHM TO CONSISTENTLY NOTICE THE BENEFITS OF AST >WHM...... and even less of you will be able to efficiently play SCH to the level needed to demonstrate the even smaller gap between those 2......


Most of you are just trolls following what the elites dictate down to the masses as "THOU SHALL PLAY LIKE I PLAY IF YOU WANNA BE GUDDER...."

It can be SE's intent to place an easy to grasp and manage healer (WHM) that helps you complete all content in game sufficiently.... Maybe... SE wants by design to make SCH/AST comp to be highest raid utility/dps since the combo requires the most attention to detail of all the comps (with maybe AST/AST being extreme hardest and marginally beneficial over AST/SCH in some situations).

moral of the story...most of you should just relax you weren't gonna attempt speed clears or min/max anyways.....just stawwp....

There are a multitude of reasons people are feeling upset: the widening gap between WHM and the other healers making them feel neglected; the community at large and their attitude to the whole thing; and the one that gets me being the apparent shift in gameplay focus to rewarding cure spam.

To write every complaint off as "You're not pushing world firsts so why care lol?" Is just as backwards as the "LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE" crowd.