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    Damn!! These copy/paste threads keep popping up!! And the same ppl keep repeating themselves lool.

    Well OP, I love WHM.....but it's as ppl have discovered, whm utilities are strongly depended on cure demanding content. If the content at any time requires little to no dedicated cure sequences ( i'm talking over a span of 1 min if you're not having to cure at least 5-10+ times) WHM utility will be placed on the back burner.

    FIRST
    your total percentages are wrong.... freecure 15% and lily 20% and confession 20% are all mutually exclusive independent procs.... so you can't add the rates and say you'll get 55% of something happening. None of them impact the rate of the other so you're left with basically at least 15% of the time something will happen (and multiple things can happen too!);

    SECOND
    Let me explain why your window has to be within 30-60 sec for confession and lily. All your skills that are affected by lilies are on a 60 sec recast. Typically, unless content demands specific utility usage, you'll be sitting on Tetragram and blowing Assize exactly when its up! Again if content doesn't demand sitting on utilities u can blow benison off every 60 sec as well. So basically every 60 sec you'll be attempting to get lilies and crits to reduce the recast on your next cd. Now let's consider what are the rates of success.

    Scenario 1

    5 cures over span of 60 sec (doesn't have to be consecutive...could be a cure at the top of the minute...and a few in the middle here and there...still 5 gcd = 10-15 sec of gcd solo healing )

    both confessions and lilies proc at 20% rate. So your chances of getting at least 1 proc within 5 attempts (remember they're mutually exclusive independent procs) is 67%!!

    67! is pretty high actually; however... in the case that you proc a lil; that's only gonna reduce your next cd by 2 sec (2.4 sec if SE removes factional time from your cd).

    In the case that you proc a Confession, you'll have 30 sec from when it appeared to use PI and consume it. NOW this 1 confession proc has waaaaay more utility than 1 lily proc!

    But we dont like the measly 4% for one lily; we want 2 lilies minimum (10% reduction)!! Well the chances of getting at least 2 procs within 5 attempts is.... 26% (hmmm...we can't really do anything with 26%.... )

    LASTLY for now...

    Benison having a longer recast time than DRK's shield; is something noticeable!! However DRK doesn't replenish 50 gauge in 15 sec....unless Drk is hitting multiple targets with Salt of the Earth! Also DRK can use their gauge for dps...so why would they even utilize the shield unless the mitigation was mandated due to content. And if the shield is mandated on a tank then 60 sec recast Benison at 15% max hp is better than 10sec recast DRK cover which takes away from your dps potential.


    P.S
    I think when the game releases they'll have the lil reduction rates raised. Or they'll raise the lil proc rates; or they'll include more skill that can proc a lil.

    Consider this scenario.

    Scenario 2

    Imagine a sequence that mandated a full 60 sec of dedicated cures (fausts at progression lvl gear pretty much acomplished this; but remember faust fights lasted 2min max). Next we'll imagine a sequence that requires 30 sec of dedicated cures.

    the chances of getting at least 2 lilies in 60 sec (assuming a fast gcd of 2.0 sec) is 98.9%!!! and the chances of getting 3 in the same time frame is 95.6%!!! however keep in mind that you just cast 30 f*#king cures....................... this is some faust exclusive shit going on here.... but you're extremely likely to get 2+ lilies which means the 1 cd you use next will have 10-20% reduction (6-12 sec). In this same scenario we can imagine your crit rate is at least 10% which means in 30 cast you're likely to get 3 crits--each of which will reduce all your cds by 5 sec....we're unsure if the reduction stacks "does 3 crits = 15 sec reduction? or once you get one crit you only get the 5 sec reduction and can't accumulate anymore reduction until the CD is reused? So in the worst case that crits don't stack 5 sec flat reductions, you have a high chance of getting 11-17 sec off your next CD?!!!

    Scenario 3


    Imagine now a 30 sec curing window with the same 2.0 sec gcd. 30 sec is still a very long time to have to be mandated to be casting cures, but we can spread those 15 gcds over the span of 1 min and still gain the same effects! The chance of getting at least 2 lilies in a spam of 15 gcds is 83%!! and the chance of getting at least 3 is 60%!!

    The point I'm trying to get you to see is how heavily dependent this WHM system is on solo gcd healing.... you need spend 15-30 gcds within a 60 sec window to reliably get 60%+ chances of reducing your next cd by 10-20% (18-28% reduction if you assume a crit proc)!! Again if they make CONTENT that forces all the healer compositions to manage a 15-30 dedicated healing sequence within a 60 sec window, WHM WILL WIN, SINCE NOBODY WILL DO IT BETTER!!!
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    Last edited by javid; 06-02-2017 at 08:11 PM.