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  1. #21
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    LegoTechnic's Avatar
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    Seolla Viltara
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SoraWish View Post
    Have you see, lucid dream just reduce aggro buddy
    From the tooltip it reduces enmity by half and adds an addition effect: Refresh. Refresh is the mana regen buff that WHM/AST currently have now. LD is just Shroud of Saints/Luminous Aether, just with a new name.
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  2. #22
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathair View Post
    Except that like we did before, if we're going to dps a lot, you'll want to use stacks for ED, which means lots of MP but no free heals. AND if we'll need to shield a lot, it still means that every stack will likely go to ED to get MP back.
    Well that depends on what we are expecting to do.
    If there's no heal to do, those stack will go on ED, if we need to heal, it'll go on thing like Excognition, Indom, lustate or sacred soil.

    + With the new trait we gain, our aetherflow have a chance to have its CD reduced (probably because it's related to the fairy gauge that need the usage of aetherflow stacks to be filled).
    So along side with lucid dream, if people want to take that cross skill of course, we shouldn't suffer that much on our mana, except if the damages are heavy and we need to heal a lot, but that would also mean some piety meld.

    But if I agree on something, as scholar, we didn't need Lucid dream at the start and AF itself was enough.
    But since it's a cross ability now, well, that was predictible that AF would get nerfed.

    For the reduced aggro, scholar doesn't really need it since his healing is spread within him and the fairy.


    All of this to say, I'm not worried for our mana management.
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    Last edited by KDSilver; 06-02-2017 at 01:08 AM.

  3. #23
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    Nathair's Avatar
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    Saoghal Fuadan
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    Raiden
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    Snip
    I agree that MP managment will be probably something we'll just have to adjust, and then we'll be probably free of Lucid. Worst case scenario, I see myself dissipating to enrgy drain/heal instead.
    As far as cross skills go, I see myself picking it or the heal boost only if there's no need for esuna or surecast. It'll be one of those things you get to fill a slot. But I'm absolutely not going to give up protect/swift/cleric and e4e, so that only leaves one spot to fill depending on the fight.

    I do am still salty that SMN gets the pet back after summoning Bahamut, and about our huge aoe nerf.
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    I gave up on expecting tank/healer balance after SB.

  4. #24
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Dots used to be the cheap casts because they took a while to hit full effect. You could do higher, more expensive damage up front, or more efficient damage over time.

    Apparently SE doesn't like that model.
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  5. #25
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    Ashua Rajin
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Clever gal. Trying to pretend scholars are nerfed right now to ride the coattails of the white mage pandemic for hopes of avoiding nerfs.
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  6. #26
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    Verrin Gunnar
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashua View Post
    Clever gal. Trying to pretend scholars are nerfed right now to ride the coattails of the white mage pandemic for hopes of avoiding nerfs.
    when you look closely at the changes SCH is losing alot, i just think upping MP costs on top of that is a little too much

    & yes whm is getting hit harder then sch, but both are about to buckle under the weight of the upcoming double AST meta
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  7. #27
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    Ashua Rajin
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    White mage is in dire straights but scholar is still as strong as ever. That focus beam heal from the fairy puts scholar in near god mode for what was the weakest link of the job which was single target heals. You still forget the strength of an independent off the global cooldown heal coming from the scholar along side the new time release heal and strong stratagem that bumps up crit puts the synergy of the scholar to sync well with all comps. It still has a raid spot along side of astro and wont be discarded so easily. All this hoopla because they raised the absorb % of noc stance of astro.
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  8. #28
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashua View Post
    White mage is in dire straights but scholar is still as strong as ever. That focus beam heal from the fairy puts scholar in near god mode for what was the weakest link of the job which was single target heals. You still forget the strength of an independent off the global cooldown heal coming from the scholar along side the new time release heal and strong stratagem that bumps up crit puts the synergy of the scholar to sync well with all comps. It still has a raid spot along side of astro and wont be discarded so easily.
    SCH has always been very strong at single-target healing; I'm not sure why you're suggesting that this was actually the Job's weak point.

    Chain Strategem alone pretty much guarantees SCH's raid spot, but otherwise there doesn't appear to be a lot of fun things to look forward to. We'd all probably be discussing the potentially blah state of SCH more if we weren't collectively pacing the emergency room lobby while WHM appears to be on life support.
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  9. #29
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    No one said Scholar got nerfed and became weak.
    No.

    We indeed got nerfed, through our aoe damages and a little through aetherflow mp restoration (but since we can have lucid dreams), and the lose of virus that was part of the mitgation toolkit (but it's for all healers).
    So yes, there was a nerf,we can't deny true changes made BUT...
    Scholar will stll be as good as he was, even more with his new skills, at least for healing.

    It's essentially the aoe damages.
    Fairies got embrace potency 300 to 250, whispering dawn 100 to 50 yes...but since we now have the tether, it's logical to nerf those.
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  10. #30
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    Saoghal Fuadan
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    Raiden
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    It's essentially the aoe damages.
    Fairies got embrace potency 300 to 250, whispering dawn 100 to 50 yes...but since we now have the tether, it's logical to nerf those.
    To be fair WD is still 100. The hit to embrace will be felt tho, specially since we lost the enhanced pet actions trait.
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    I gave up on expecting tank/healer balance after SB.

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