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  1. #9691
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    I recently got dragged into Dun Scaith again and since my bow is still in need of light, I picked my bard for the job.

    Half way through the Scathat-fight the WHM asks me to play ballad, which confused me a little - no one had died, there wasnt much healing required and when he asked me, he was happily casting Stone III but was indeed down to 2k MP. So I switched from Foes to Ballad but couldnt help to ask him what had happend to his MP - and I got the answer I had already guessed "I was dpsing".
    Now let me say: I LOVE healer-dps and nothing annoys me more than a healer just standing/jumping around, doing nothing. However its still your job to manage your mana decently and you dont ask your bard to play ballad so you can dps more... I immidiatly stopped, told them that its lowering the damage I'm dealing as bard and that I rather sing Foes for our blm than ballad for a healer who cant balance mp and dps. His reaction: "Oh, I dont know that [that its lowering a bards damage]" and didnt ask for it again. That wouldnt have been to bad in general, a healer probably doesnt know how a bard works... but I then checked the profile of that whm. Bard at level 60, and, if their profile discription was accurate, with an ilvl of 261 - higher than their healer. This person leveled bard to 60, collected endgame-gear but never bothered to really look into their skills...
    To be fair, I have lots of jobs like this currently which are level 60 with 260ish gear that I didn't play past hitting 60. I've run out of stuff to spend scripture on for my mains so I just dump points into shire gear for the alts every time I come close to capping it. That said, I leveled all of them the old fashioned way through dungeons so I have an inkling of what their abilities do, but I could see someone who ran potd to level them ending up in that situation you described.
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  2. #9692
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    Vidu's Avatar
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    To be fair, I have lots of jobs like this currently which are level 60 with 260ish gear that I didn't play past hitting 60. I've run out of stuff to spend scripture on for my mains so I just dump points into shire gear for the alts every time I come close to capping it. That said, I leveled all of them the old fashioned way through dungeons so I have an inkling of what their abilities do, but I could see someone who ran potd to level them ending up in that situation you described.
    That is an explantion, not an excuse - its even an explantion I'm aware off and by now it shouldnt surprise me anymore, yet it does every time... how someone can actually be so blind about some core mechanics within a job they got to 60 somehow. But I'm also well aware that I'm judging people by the standards I'm inflicting on myself and that those might be to "high" for someone who doesnt like to pay attention at all... I've got all classes at 60 and I'm hardly any good at the melee-jobs, but I still know how they work, just to untalented to execute that properly. (But thats probably a topic for a different thread - just wanted to say that in my book I dont care how someone reached level 60, I expect them to have a basic understanding of that class at that point. And now I'm realising that thats most likely the reason the game has become so frustrating to me...)
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  3. #9693
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    Aosha's Avatar
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    Character
    Aosha Koz'ain
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Interesting Baelsar's Wal I had today.
    Got in in-progress through ex roulette to replace a dps who went afk or something.
    Full group of first timers, who were actually eager to get advice on the bosses. *crying tears of joy*
    Sure, there were some mishaps, like the DRK blowing up on the second boss (I forgot to mention the bomb triggers from auto attacks too), or me pulling aggro on the last boss and dying to a tankbuster (can't blame the tank, I was like 50 ilevels above him, and I rip stuff off tanks who're just a few levels behind), but the whole group was SO FUN to play with! WHM picked me up off the floor ASAP even without swiftcast, and no wipes or anything like that either. They took to the directions I gave like I've never seen, and gave light-hearted banter here and there, and even thanked me for the advice at the end.
    I'm so proud of those 3. TvT
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    Last edited by Aosha; 05-31-2017 at 06:25 AM.

  4. #9694
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    Maerwen's Avatar
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    Character
    Cherish Ashbel
    World
    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xylas View Post
    It was a few months ago. Quite a bit of time before Baelsar's Wall, so I can't remember her name. I just remember her being extremely toxic, and her boyfriend seemed like the passive type (though he'd have to be to be dating her). Both her and her boyfriend were Miqo'te... but that's like finding a needle in a haystack.
    Yeah, that's roughly around the time I had that run in with the SCH. I remember her because she doesn't really help with DPS check, and she calls out on the two DPS for their rotation/dying on some mechanic. Buuut in my run, the sch didn't have her boyfriend since I que'd with two friends who were both new to the run.
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  5. #9695
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    AnaviAnael's Avatar
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    Anavi Anael
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    Balmung
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Leanna View Post
    Add new tank jobs will make more people play a new tank job = More bad tanks everywhere.

    That wasn't sarcasm.
    My bad. I misunderstood.
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  6. #9696
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 97
    To the tank that dropped instantly from the Sophia trial roulette just now, and the 2 dps who almost immediately followed. Sucks to be you. We waited all of about 15s for 2 replacement dps and beat the fight super fast with just the one tank since that's all you need. Well... I suppose we technically completed it with two tanks, since one joined at about 3% and got a free clear. Toodles.
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  7. #9697
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    SaitoHikari's Avatar
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    Saito Hikari
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Please for the love of all that is holy, CHECK EXACTLY WHO IS BEING KICKED BEFORE PRESSING THAT 'YES' BUTTON. I was in a Dun Scaith about half an hour ago where there was someone that disconnected at the first boss, and we didn't get to initiate a vote kick to boot him out until after the second boss because we were still rolling on loot from the first boss.

    Except I got dismissed first, likely 100% by accident.

    The kicker? I was literally the top DPS in the entire alliance by about 300+ DPS, and even worse, I was the only Bard in an alliance that had five casters, not even counting the DPSing healers.

    I'm not too miffed though, I didn't need anything from the run and I only really queue into Dun Scaith for fun, I really enjoy this game's 24-man raids. Don't judge me. >_>
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    Last edited by SaitoHikari; 05-31-2017 at 09:01 AM.

  8. #9698
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    Mysterysword's Avatar
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    Siesta Fiesta
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    Please for the love of all that is holy, CHECK EXACTLY WHO IS BEING KICKED BEFORE PRESSING THAT 'YES' BUTTON.
    If people can't be bothered to look at the in-game tool-tips for skills that they will be using in various fights for hours on end, what makes you think they'll bother to look at the names of some random schmoes they'll only be playing with for an hour, at the absolute maximum?

    Some people also believe that doing 180 potency per GCD is better than doing 200-500 potency. It was this that made me realise just how low my expectations for people's intelligence are.
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  9. #9699
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    Pells's Avatar
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    P'lha Tahl
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterysword View Post
    [Titan EX]
    BLM stays dead for the remainder of the fight while everyone else finishes the fight. OF COURSE.
    You can't revive in the middle of a primal fight, and you can't be raised in any of the Titan fights if you fall off. So yes, of course.
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    Oooh, shiney...

  10. #9700
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    Siesta Fiesta
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    Coeurl
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Pells View Post
    You can't revive in the middle of a primal fight, and you can't be raised in any of the Titan fights if you fall off. So yes, of course.
    I was pointing out the fact that they most likely fell off entirely on purpose, so that they wouldn't have to do anything, even if they actually wanted to contribute. How do you clear Titan normal AND Hard, and still have no idea how to dodge Geocrush? Also, I have no idea by what you mean by "can't revive in the middle of a primal fight", because that's pretty blatantly untrue.
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