We're all DDs now >.>

[Masekase_Hurricane]

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Yet this is where the problem lies, stop thinking of each member as a role and start thinking of the party as a unit. If your party dps is low then help them out as a healer/tank and boost the numbers. If the numbers are not low then speed up the fight and get out quicker. This is why hardcore raiders down things so fast they actually co-ordinate and work as one.

[Lambdafish]

Healer COULD do dmg when free, and Tank COULD swap to DPS stance is something i accept and like to do when i have confident, but i would not force it
when the COULD become MUST is what we need to start worrying
but luckily this forum is only represent a small fraction of the whole FFXIV community

You are right, I could deal damage or I could rotate flash spam and riot blade. That would make me a bad player, but I could do that, I'm holding hate after all and thats my job.

[KisaiTenshi]

Okay. Now I am convinced you simply don't know healing very well. I have had tanks who were in 235 gear and didn't use a single CD yet I still had downtime, albeit nowhere near my norm. Likewise, I have ran Expert hundreds of times by now and never once have I had to fully heal. In fact, my general average is 60-80% Cleric uptime.

Swiftcast -> Holy -> Cleric Stance -> Divine Seal -> Regen -> Aero III -> Aero II -> Aero -> Fluid Aura -> Presence of Mind -> Stone III

That one HoT will do all the healing I need for most pulls on Solm Al hard. On the few occasions I do get shoddy tanks. I'll drop Cleric after Stone III spam and toss out Tetra.

Your experience is different from mine. I use entirely PUG groups, and have adapted to numerous bad situations. The number of times that I got a "perfect" combo of good tank and good DPS can be counted on one hand. Just last night I had one DF group of three sprouts who didn't even know what direction to go (level 51 dungeon,) followed by one that had two crowns and a player who hadn't completed the dungeon.

I don't mind playing these things when people are learning, but there is no way am I going to tell a tank how to play their role. If they say "use regen on me" I will, if they say "dps that thing" maybe that can be done. But if the extent of their advise is railing on how I play, I'm just going to click off the party chat. I know what I'm doing, unless your advice is actually meaningful, which all "healer must DPS" advice is bunk, I'm not going to care. There is a difference between "you're doing it wrong, quit being bad" and "could you cast X please?"

You know which light party duty tends to have the most downtime from the way I play? Amdapoor Keep (Hard), because people have run this enough that they know how to use the vines to whack the monsters, thus the only wipes don't come from the bosses, but the DPS standing under the vines too. The way this duty is setup, the hardest boss is the boogeyman when players don't pay attention, and that's the one that overhealing becomes a magnet for all the adds. Can't be helped if players ignore the mechanics.

What about 8-man content? people are so bored of 8-man content and it shows when it's designed for two tanks but you only need one tank and one healer to actually get to the boss, and then it becomes something of a joke in Castrum Meridianum at the end. if a tank and healer want to DPS instead, be my guest but don't complain.

I actually find The Praetorium's Ultima Weapon (v2.0) and Keeper of the Lake's Midgardsomr (2.5) some of the better level 50 content that is actually designed to use the healing skills because of the generally high-damage party attacks.

I'd rather play The World of Darkness repeatedly with bad PUG's and expect the occasional carries than play leveling roulette with people who want to be carried by asking for healer DPS. No, you learn to play the duty properly, either by going slower, gearing better, or watching a video if you're unwilling to try things for yourself. It is not a requirement to watch a video either. The healer pulling out the DPS is entirely at the discretion of the healer, and from what I've read on the forums, there's just as many bad healers doing DPS as there are that won't DPS. You are playing a game, this is not a competitive sport, and you are not being paid for it. If you are streaming on Twitch or Youtube, maybe heads-up to avoid making embarrassing comments in the chat.

[Kaisinel]

I'd rather play The World of Darkness repeatedly with bad PUG's and expect the occasional carries than play leveling roulette with people who want to be carried by asking for healer DPS. No, you learn to play the duty properly

More often then not, players asking healers to dps are not looking for a carry. Players asking the healer to not afk is the main goal.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Your experience is different from mine. I use entirely PUG groups, and have adapted to numerous bad situations. The number of times that I got a "perfect" combo of good tank and good DPS can be counted on one hand. Just last night I had one DF group of three sprouts who didn't even know what direction to go (level 51 dungeon,) followed by one that had two crowns and a player who hadn't completed the dungeon.

You assume I ran with premades. I don't. That skill order is my standard PUG rotation. I merely adapt based on the tank. Even poorly geared or downright bad tanks don't need 100% attention. As I said, I have healed min ilvl tanks through Baelsar's Wall without hindrance. Bit annoying since he didn't use CDs, but I still managed to DPS fairly high. Granted, I should have bopped him for it but I digress.

The rest of your response... is little more than a rant. You continue to presume healers must constantly heal yet oddly contradict yourself by acknowledging most 8-man content doesn't need two healers. By that admission, you've essentially admitted if neither DPS, one is effectively doing nothing. Your words, albeit it indirectly, not mine. Either way, what does any of this have to do with anything being discussed? I pointed out the lack of dedicated healing required and you've... rambled on about bad DPS and adaption-- something you do not seem to comprehend yourself given how argumentative you've been towards people explaining to you that is precisely how they stay in Cleric so long. All people have asked is everyone evenly contribute. You can bury your head in the sand all you fancy but if the tank and DPS have 300+ abilities cast and you only have 50. Well, who's carrying whom?

[Maero]

One has to also look at it in the perspective that some healers do not heal, not one bit. This may be due to the pressure of feeling to have to dps or just not wanting to bother healing.
Had bad run as example tonight where some dps were dead, instead of reviving players what was the whm doing but just spamming Stone 3, the other healer was doing who knows, lol
There is bad to go all around not just dps but healers and tanks also. Everyone should do their part to help the group.

[Kaonis]

DPS is the meta for a very simple reason, it's because the content is both heavily scripted so people know when every attack comes, and that nothing hits hard enough to warrant a healer to constantly be healing. Combine those and you wind up with bored healers, and tanks who can drop their stance once they have agro.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

More often then not, players asking healers to dps are not looking for a carry. Players asking the healer to not afk is the main goal.

You'd be surprised. 9/10 times the player asking the healer to dps is the full thrust spamming DRG or the lvl 50 rot BLM. One time saw a Shadow fang nonninjutsu NIN do it as well. Odds seems to be highly in favor of a dps demanding the healer deeps to let them stay bad.

Odds are based on what I see on a nightly four hours spent running content with it occurring at least five times a night, over the last year and a half.

[Neophyte]

You assume I ran with premades. I don't. That skill order is my standard PUG rotation. I merely adapt based on the tank. Even poorly geared or downright bad tanks don't need 100% attention. As I said, I have healed min ilvl tanks through Baelsar's Wall without hindrance. Bit annoying since he didn't use CDs, but I still managed to DPS fairly high. Granted, I should have bopped him for it but I digress.

Two days ago our tank dc'ed before the first add Group and didn't return. Our new one came in just after the 1st boss. The boss was tanked by the BLM. Still able to do damage (at least after crit aspected benefic shield and after i gave him buffed bole). Nuff said.

[Kaisinel]

You'd be surprised. 9/10 times the player asking the healer to dps is the full thrust spamming DRG or the lvl 50 rot BLM. One time saw a Shadow fang nonninjutsu NIN do it as well. Odds seems to be highly in favor of a dps demanding the healer deeps to let them stay bad.

Odds are based on what I see on a nightly four hours spent running content with it occurring at least five times a night, over the last year and a half.

I find myself in duty finder quite a bit, and I barely see people even ask Healers to dps.