{PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUCEMENT} Unfair Party Dismissal

[Hamada]

For everyone saying you can kick for whatever you want, I point you to red text:


for the OP it is weird, you can't really ask for refunds from mog station, it says you cant.

I been wondering, why have options if it really does not mean anything?

[Jijifli]

For everyone saying you can kick for whatever you want, I point you to red text:


for the OP it is weird, you can't really ask for refunds from mog station, it says you cant

But it was still a majority rules situation. The red text is for when someone harasses you before kicking you, not just because of a different play style.

Example I guess: I can't kick you for playing summoner. I can kick you for playing dotless summoner.

[Hamada]

But it was still a majority rules situation. The red text is for when someone harasses you before kicking you, not just because of a different play style.

Example I guess: I can't kick you for playing summoner. I can kick you for playing dotless summoner.

I was not debating that, just the people saying you can kick for ANYTHING.

also why are there options anyway?

[Vidu]

also why are there options anyway?

My guess would be that
1) when they made that option that didnt had "kick for playstyle difference" in mind and
2) they never put it there to not encourage "kicking for anything"

They've probably decided that its best to tolerate kicking for playstyle but didnt expected that to be an issue at first. I'm ok with that - I dont think we need a prominent option telling everyone "Oh, you can kick for playstyle-difference" so that people would use it (more frequently) over minor issues but I also think that it can be beneficial to everyone to remove someone from the party who wants to play differently and/or do not want to cooperate. Its better for the party and its better for the kicked person aswell - if it has become clear that the difference cant be resolved, whats the point in keeping those people together and possibly risk that they get to a point where a kick for harrassment is valid?

[Ama_Hamada]

My guess would be that
1) when they made that option that didnt had "kick for playstyle difference" in mind and2) they never put it there to not encourage "kicking for anything"

They've probably decided that its best to tolerate kicking for playstyle but didnt expected that to be an issue at first. I'm ok with that - I dont think we need a prominent option telling everyone "Oh, you can kick for playstyle-difference" so that people would use it (more frequently) over minor issues but I also think that it can be beneficial to everyone to remove someone from the party who wants to play differently and/or do not want to cooperate. Its better for the party and its better for the kicked person aswell - if it has become clear that the difference cant be resolved, whats the point in keeping those people together and possibly risk that they get to a point where a kick for harrassment is valid?

There is a fine difference of kicking someone not cooperating (like a healer refusing to heal) and just using that as an excuse to kick someone because they are not in the premade. Still that does not really answer the question, why are there options to select something to kick someone? They are not achieving anything.

While on this, does that mean kicking someone because they refuse to purposely fail the run valid? I had a run like that where this premade was just messing around and kept purposely failing thok, but the majoroty kept on wanting to fail it. So what happens when the majority are breaking this rule:

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

?

[Yahallo]

For everyone saying you can kick for whatever you want, I point you to red text:


for the OP it is weird, you can't really ask for refunds from mog station, it says you cant.

I been wondering, why have options if it really does not mean anything?

Difference in play style is an incredibly broad term. It effectively does allow you to kick someone for just about anything. The only real limitation is GM's perception; if they perceive that you are abusing it rather than kicking for what they see as a difference in play style, then you can land yourself in hot water. However, if people just stay quiet and silently initiate the vote kick, avoiding entering the territory of harassment, it is rather unlikely for the person being kicked to have a case to build upon due to the broadness of the term play style. Yes, it is probably a bit silly how broad it is, but it is how it is.