Add an equivalent of Mage's Ballad to MCH.

[Sylvain]

Thats the point. I want square to see this post. Before Stormblood comes out.

Do you really expect them to do such a drastic change, like adding a new skill or effect, 3 weeks before release?
At this point they're at best tweaking numbers.
And I don't understand why you're really asking that, you have a MP regeneration mechanic as a promoted turret.

Even if SE would see the post and magically feel like "u know what, let's grant that fellla his wish", it's already done.
You have it.

[Dyvid]

A) I still have no idea what you want. Both BRD and MCH can debuff Magic resistance. I'm sorry you sometimes don't get paired with MCH who understand your dps is greater than theirs but SE provided the tools. MCH has literally everything you asked for.

B) We don't know if RDM or SAM have a magic debuff attack similar to NIN's melee debuff.

C) At the end of the day you can only worry about you. You're the only one who can maximize your DPS, everything else is a bonus.

[vp_cmc]

I'm sorry you sometimes don't get paired with MCH who understand your dps is greater than theirs

And often it isn't.

[Allyrion]

Well we are not going to see any changes before Stormblood and even then, these type of abilities aren't added right after an expansion launch. All you can do now is hope it works out in SB.

But there's a lot of misinformation floating here. I'm surprised how many don't realize MCH has a magic debuff. The title is misleading since this thread is about Foe's Requiem rather than Bard.

Also, MCH/BRD can only rely on DRG for piercing, just how it is. It only happens that DRG is favored in the meta, but SE didn't decide that. Overall, I like comp synergy where some prefer to be matched with others. You won't always do your optimal dps but it usually balances out for the party overall.

[Pence]

But there's a lot of misinformation floating here. I'm surprised how many don't realize MCH doesn't have a magic debuff. The title is misleading since this thread is about Foe's Requiem rather than Bard.

Bishop Auto turrent: Deploys an area of effect battle turret which will deliver auto-attacks with a potency of 60 to all nearby enemies.
Hypercharge Potency: 120
Hypercharge Effect: Increases target's magic damage taken by 10% Duration: 10s.
Shares a recast timer with Rook Autoturret

[Allyrion]

Bishop Auto turrent: Deploys an area of effect battle turret which will deliver auto-attacks with a potency of 60 to all nearby enemies.
Hypercharge Potency: 120
Hypercharge Effect: Increases target's magic damage taken by 10% Duration: 10s.
Shares a recast timer with Rook Autoturret

Sorry, that double negative was a typo, I just fixed it. Many in the first page act like MCH can only buff physical. The only thing MCH doesn't have an equivalent for is battle voiced Foe's.

[Pence]

Sorry, that double negative was a typo, I just fixed it. Many in the first page act like MCH can only buff physical. The only thing MCH doesn't have an equivalent for is battle voiced Foe's.

At the same time BRD doesn't have a +%physical damage buff or a -% physical/magic damage dealt debuff.

End of the day: BRD and MCH are probably the most balanced role in the game. You can pretty much switch between the two and see little difference at the end of the fight. Both have strengths, and weaknesses. They successfully fill the same role, in different ways. Something Tanks / Heals / DPS struggle with.

[Allyrion]

At the same time BRD doesn't have a +%physical damage buff or a -% physical/magic damage dealt debuff.

End of the day: BRD and MCH are probably the most balanced role in the game. You can pretty much switch between the two and see little difference at the end of the fight. Both have strengths, and weaknesses. They successfully fill the same role, in different ways. Something Tanks / Heals / DPS struggle with.

Yea, I mean the whole premise of this thread is flawed since MCH does have an equivalent. The thing is, if Bards had a physical debuff equivalent then they would use that more often than not in 8-mans as well. It's just mostly the case when double melee is meta so you're buffing 5 (2 tanks, 2 melee and yourself) over 3 (one caster and 2 healers). Also the bishop does less damage than the rook single target but it's not a significant loss.

MCH would be the meta pick (right now) if they weren't so rare, but I agree they are fairly well balanced. I actually think all the jobs are pretty well balanced, even though PLD, MNK, WHM abd sometimes BLM are put in the non-meta category. Because those classes aren't bad, they're nothing like MCH and AST at the start of HW, SMN at the end of ARR or WAR at 2.0 (or just 2.0 in general, which was a hot mess). We've come a long way.

Maybe RDM will bring a magic debuff and that will allow an alternative to BRD. If MNK's debuff doesn't stack with MCH's then they could sub each other or alternate. All we can do is wait to see the changes.

[Pence]

Maybe RDM will bring a magic debuff and that will allow an alternative to BRD. If MNK's debuff doesn't stack with MCH's then they could sub each other or alternate. All we can do is wait to see the changes.

Agreed with everything you said. Another point of interest: RDM uses a rapier a piercing weapon. Does DRG debuff effect it? DRG/RDM/BRD could be a thing.

[Shurrikhan]

Agreed with everything you said. Another point of interest: RDM uses a rapier a piercing weapon. Does DRG debuff effect it? DRG/RDM/BRD could be a thing.

They seem to use primarily for slashing here, though, so it may not be a given that it's being used like an Estoc, etc., as a purely piercing weapon.

That said, I could equip two-foot spikes to either gauntlet and my thrusting those through the enemy would still count as blunt damage so... XIV categories.

Just saying that unless they see there as being a specific need to shift RDM in particular to a DRG-based synergy (which will still only affect a small portion of their predominantly magical damage), it will probably stick with the default category for all swords, Slashing.