PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Taika]

If you don't like casual players not following the meta, don't run casual content

It's not about not liking casual players or players not following meta, it's about not liking party members who are inactive for 80% of the time and just stand there watching their team members do almost all the work. And the fact that this is only considered acceptable (by some) for healers, and those same players would not keep a tank or DD like that in their party.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It's not about not liking casual players or players not following meta, it's about not liking party members who are inactive for 80% of the time and just stand there watching their team members do almost all the work. And the fact that this is only considered acceptable (by some) for healers, and those same players would not keep a tank or DD like that in their party.

This.

Everyone who calls out heal only healers applies that same standard to tanks and DPS. No one is ganging up healers. A Bard who refuses to sing when the healer needs MP is a bad Bard. A Black Mage who uses their level 50 rotation in level 60 content because "it's easier" is a bad Black Mage. Likewise, no one will call out a White Mage who does 500 DPS when you call pull a 1,000. It's exclusively the players (note: not job specific) who do the barest of minimums to get by who people take umbrage with. In regards to healers, this means literally standing still, not casting a single ability beyond Cure whenever the tank takes even the slightest damage. To offer an example, back when Hullbreaker was relevant, I queued on Dragoon and had a Warrior who never once dropped below 30k. He mitigated extremely well, used Bloodbath and Equilibrium on pulls for large self heals. The healer we got had so much downtime, he literally hopped around the map and even /wave to us during the first boss fight.

That is the healer people don't like. Not only wasn't he new, but had multiple jobs-- including other healers-- at 60. So, I'll ask. Is this a good healer; someone who spent more time jumping around the map and occasionally using emotes than he did healing?

[KisaiTenshi]

That is the healer people don't like. Not only wasn't he new, but had multiple jobs-- including other healers-- at 60. So, I'll ask. Is this a good healer; someone who spent more time jumping around the map and occasionally using emotes than he did healing?

People responding in this thread and the countless other times this topic has been dredged up in other forums, act like this is the norm. It is not. It's the equivalent of the *chan/reddit troll who encourages someone to kill themselves and is then surprised when someone actually does, and the entire community gets blamed.

[Greedalox]

It is not. It's the equivalent of the *chan/reddit troll who encourages someone to kill themselves and is then surprised when someone actually does, and the entire community gets blamed.

You need to step back and get some real perspective on this. Getting booted from a group for not DPS'ing is NOT equivalent to goading suicide and then following through. You need to stop.