Healers not dpsing is not an issue it seems.

[Greedalox]

Which does nothing to disprove the original assertion, which is that healer dps doesn't add nearly as much as people like to think it does, instead just covering for sub-par dps.

Considering a decent healers DPS can come within 75% of a decent DPS in a dungeon scene on trash packs (Or more), that's like saying that having one of the DPS not DPS doesn't do that much in the first place.

And you really need to stop insinuating people are arguing that Healers are replacing DPS instead of adding to it with comments like "covering for sub-par dps" that you love to throw into these threads. Nobody is arguing that healers DPSing is an opportunity for a DPS to slow down. Nobody. It's great when people can have open dialogue about opinions on the matter, but fighting arguments that were never made isn't helping either side.

[Cynfael]

It has been proven in other experiments that the only time healer dps takes off more than a minute is when both dps are fairly shoddy. Otherwise they don't add as much as some would like to believe.

This is one of those instances where the pithy "pics or it didn't happen" line is completely appropriate to use.

For once I'm not interested in rehashing this. Anyone can prove for themselves the difference an active healer makes.

As for why no one complained in a small sample size, I would guess that they might be players like me: those who will put up with nearly anything short of outright trolling or duty-breaking incompetence in the interest of not adding further drama to an already painful experience by instigating what is almost certain to be a useless argument, no matter how good the intention might be.

[Sebazy]

Which does nothing to disprove the original assertion, which is that healer dps doesn't add nearly as much as people like to think it does, instead just covering for sub-par dps.

From my perspective, the majority of DPSers that I get in roulette are sub par.

Makes me wish logs did a better job of handling dungeons, it'd be much easier to just upload everything to give some easy to read figures for this.

[Gemina]

Thing is, I also don't scream at my tank if they run ahead before I can get buffs up. They instantly lose their chance at a comm, but I'd rather just cast protect during the upcoming trash pull and call it a day. Griping about it will only disturb the party more and slow down the run. The reason why I am so harsh is because a tank that does this immediately sets the tone for how the dungeon is going to go. I already know this tank is going to be impatient, and make me work harder to do my job.

I'd imagine it is the same for healers who don't DPS. There might be so many of them that players just deal with it. It certainly brings some enlightenment to how easy DPSing healers get comms. In the case of a healer though, not DPSing doesn't make anyone work harder in duty finder instances. Their DPS can only make things easier. If they chose to not DPS, it changes nothing for the other players except the length of time it will take to complete the instance.

I will agree it blown a bit out of proportion, but I've been just as passionate about it but have tried to be more of a mediator during the debates. I will always stand by that healers should be encouraged to DPS, but the debate has no place inside a dungeon.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

I guess I'll use this one out of the many threads to give my opinion on the topic.

It basically boils down to common courtesy, and showing respect for your fellow players. When the two dps and the tank are both constantly doing their rotations to do the most dps they can and trying to keep hate against that dps, and the healer is just standing there doing literally nothing, because they cast medica II, or fairy is keeping everyone full, it's just disrespectful. At least cast something. If you don't want to dps, fine. Cast stoneskin on everyone, keep regen/adlo up. But if you are just standing there doing next to nothing, and going multiple GCDs without performing an action of any kind, you are just bad and/or lazy. Period. The end.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Keep in mind a few factors. We are in a long content lull. A lot of more seasoned players aren't running many Experts nowadays. I mean, I can only speak for myself but I barely know what to do with all the Scripture I have. Granted, I wouldn't kick a heal only healer. I'd just roll my eyes and drop tank stance. That being said, this pertains more to Savage and the trickle down effect. Heal only healers have a significantly harder time getting into consistent statics. The death of Cleric Stance will only make that worse since people more easily justify you should be DPSing. The end result is even more casual oriented players adopt this approach. Are they going to call out or kick healers in dungeons for not DPSing? Probably not in large numbers. When it comes to Savage raiding though...

[Fyce]

Most people don't care ENOUGH to warrant pointing anything out or potentially starting a fight and prolonging something most people would rather finish in a short amount of time.

That's one of the main reason why people don't say anything. Saying something is risky, and the risk is that you start a fight and someone gets kicked. Worst case, the party dismiss and you have to queue again.
So, in the end, saying something might make you lose more time than it might save.
That's why people talk about that issue on the forums. At least, here, there's nothing to lose, and no risk involved. It's another story when you're actually in a duty.


Another main reason is that people simply don't watch what others are doing.

[Ashua]

The sample size is more then large enough overall. It shows mainly the disparity of people who play the game over those who steam about it on the forums. My runs normally take around 20 minutes so 14 is exceptional.

[Cynfael]

The sample size is more then large enough overall. It shows mainly the disparity of people who play the game over those who steam about it on the forums. My runs normally take around 20 minutes so 14 is exceptional.

1. 14 isn't a sufficient sample size for pretty much anything, statistically speaking.

2. The majority of players post on these forums rarely or never. For that matter, I would suggest that the majority of players say almost nothing beyond "Hello" and maybe "Thanks for the run" in Duty Finder roulettes.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The sample size is more then large enough overall. It shows mainly the disparity of people who play the game over those who steam about it on the forums. My runs normally take around 20 minutes so 14 is exceptional.

A sample size of twelve when the Aether population in tens of thousands is... nothing. Curious what dungeons you ran because 9-14 minutes is pretty standard with a decent group and healers DPSing.