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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    Not at all trying to offend as i have no issues with the community, but why must todays society always have this?
    It seems like every movie, television show and now video games need it?
    I think the issue would be why they added it, not if they did. I hope we keep a free world, so if you want it to be all one group of people and the market keeps that afloat that's great! But sometimes I seriously question the whys.

    Sometimes people's reasons for adding stuff makes my head whirl. It's not equal if you can't shift the situation around and it changes from being okay to not being okay. I'm not even suggesting people have to make "equal" content, like if you're making some hot stuff that needs tissues later for your gay target audience then you really don't want my opinion on what is hot... things don't need to be equal, but when you use "equality" as why you're doing something it better be equal then lol.

    The other popular reason being "equal representation" is iffy and I'd rather they get off their pat self on the back box and just make the story they want because they wanted it (which is a fine reason~). The sort of "represent x group" is super slippery. For example we have no end of people with issues and you could easily break people down into smaller and smaller groups and demand each and everyone one of them be represented to the point that all casts and parts of stories have been decided for the next good while, you've lost almost all control of your work - even the people who wanted to represent a specific minority can't now unless they want to be hypocritical of what their goal was. It follows as well that it is more difficult to act as a whole unit when everyone is rushing to find their own special space to call their own, with constantly fracturing and exclusionary rules (sometimes you have no choice, but one should be careful to rush down the path of fracking for identity- labels shouldn't be what makes you, you). Also there tends to be a strong bias on how things are broken down and there is a very obvious abuse of what people want to see in the world rather than what is when they do this ("these are the issues I want you to talk about, and everything else is non-issue/not as important").

    As for FFXIV I would be okay if they added reasonable elements here and there, but I would like it to be in a "this is not special" way. Unless I missed something and sexual preference is an issue in FFXIV I would ask that it is treated as if it isn't important, because when saving the world I don't really care if your preference is an innie or an outtie or which one you think you have. Also would add a lot of the romance in FFXIV seems to be heavily inferred rather than being strictly overt, and this means that sometimes the romance could easily just be friendships instead (and any same sex romance would make sense to also then be like this, inferred sort of way). Would greatly prefer any element they touch upon is not a political jab in the eye though and is more on a peaceful grouping of people.. not a militant attitude, I do not like the militant "my way or instead of the highway I'm going to try and run you off, run you over, and then find your family and do it to them too" - which is a rather terrifying sort of personality lol.

    Because I feel it is apt for what I've seen happen to people over issues like this (even though its cheesy to quote ):

    He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.
    And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 05-27-2017 at 03:25 AM.

  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arutan View Post
    Took this long? my god....
    Took 32 posts for this to appear???
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarynth View Post
    It's 2017 why are there still useless skyrior threads.
    For the topic (if you really consider it a real one) shoe horn something like this is counter productive. It is like saying, I want special attention for being xxx and that is an insult to many people.
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    Last edited by Hamada; 05-27-2017 at 03:18 AM.

  3. #83
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    Ok, using Naunet logic (oh boy), I want to point that FFXIV is a game made in Japan and somewhat more or less represent their culture (and you can tell in a lot of little things). So, the moment you are imposing western values (like: we need to put more LGBT character because is the current year) you are oppressing japanise people, and at the same time, you are trying to culture appropriating their game.

    Shame!
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  4. #84
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    You can see how much of a troll this guy is when his last post was "OMG WHY DOES GUYS PLAYS WITH FEMALE CHARACTERS AND DECEIVE ME" and now he posts "OMG WHERE ARE THE LGBT CHARACTERS".

    Anyways, like it was said in this post before, romance isn't the core of FF XIV, but we got some shipping material and bromances for our male WoL. It was aways that friendship that could be a bit more. We might get a bit of girlslove with Lyse in SB, but thats just a hunch. As for the main cast, i don't think anyone will appear and say "hi i'm gay!" unless it's relevant for the main plot or character development.
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  5. #85
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    Well, if they can find a way to make it work in the narrative go ahead, I'd love to read about how Alphinaud has secretly had the hots for Thancred or Estinien this entire time but was too shy/young/insecure to really broach the subject with his beloved, or for Alisaie to secretly have a love affair with Y'shtola. But if it doesn't feel appropriate, maaaaaybe now isn't a good time for such a reveal?
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    A love Story in General tied to the main Story would be nice... its all just Friendship, dying people, everything is so dark and evil-stuff atm.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Well, if they can find a way to make it work in the narrative go ahead, I'd love to read about how Alphinaud has secretly had the hots for Thancred or Estinien this entire time but was too shy/young/insecure to really broach the subject with his beloved, or for Alisaie to secretly have a love affair with Y'shtola. But if it doesn't feel appropriate, maaaaaybe now isn't a good time for such a reveal?
    Salamander Oil part II, player indirectly picks where people are hanging out changing how the scene plays out where everyone is enjoying the beach and oiling up - choose your fantasy lite mode lol :P

    Still feel like the Oil could be a mount in FFXIV, apply oil to yourself and you gain super speed Manderville style lol.
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  8. #88
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    Instead of being creative what they can add in the game some guys feel the need to give random minorities a stage again, cause they are so "special". They aren't. They're accepted humans but that is still no reason to celebrate or put them above other human beings or even being seen as a "must have" like a character to represent them. This is just the everyday push they need because they don't have a stable self-esteem.
    We're playing a game, we have to defeat the dark powers (inb4 racism) without flooding the world with too much light and deal with monsters and divine powers, maniacs, and divine monsters with maniacpowers. How is a charakter necessary like this ?

    Please spare the game from these first world problems of RL.

    Defeating homophobia and transphobia starts here, today, in Eorzea.
    I never noticed this harassment in any way in the game. Eorzea is fine then.

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  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrus View Post
    They're not exactly prominent but wasn't the adventurer couple for Wanderer's Palace (hard) gay?
    I'm playing with the German client and distinctly remember them mentioning they had to leave their home because of their orientation.
    The English counterpart to this was that it wasn't so much that they were both male that they had to leave their home, it was because one was a Hyur Highlander and the other was a Miqo'te Keeper of the Moon.
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    Because the last time SE came remotely close to having a gay male character as part of the main story line they gave him the most ridiculous lisp ever conceived. I wouldn't trust them not to do it again.

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