PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Hamada]

So because YOU havent seen it means it doesnt exist?

Jesus, if i got a dollar for every time i end up healing more and faster while dpsing compared to my heal-only co healer, id be rich.

I do that too but it does not lead to wipes? I posted my own story about that in that thread, about the 1600 piety WHM making me do all the raises and do all the healing (even across parties) scraping though mp with Dissipation. I said I never seen pure healing cause a wipe, and I am still confused how that is done. At the end I was told I was rude for asking for help with raises?

[SlogDog]

When i see pure healers I throw a lot of work on them. Oh you still have pretty much full mana? you can raise. A heal check is coming up? maybe i'll throw a regen and keep dpsing before I have to swoop in and recuse you. You died? i'll leave you on the floor and hopefully no one else will pick you up while you watch me work. I know many healers who do the same, hell i heard of tanks who slowly start to strip when they run into these sorts (they start with the belt, rings, things you wont notice).

Is it petty? of course but I never said i wasn't a vindictive man. I am also fair tho, if i see them turn on CS and try to do something i will be more generous for sure.

[Miste]

I do that too but it does not lead to wipes?

They meant situations where they are not on healer and the two pug healers are pure healing only (no DPS at all healers) yet still fail to keep the group alive. They are proposing that healers that DPS are usually more skilled at the game than healers that do nothing but pure healing.

Which....well you can't paint every healer as such, but even I have seen many pure healing healers fail to heal content properly even with two healers who only focus on healing. This is why I would be a bit scared of DF if they made the content more healing intensive :x

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Just because you claim to be "focused on healing", it in no way mean you are pushing the right heals at the right people at the right time.

This.

I once had a WHM rip aggro when I was tanking on DRK. How? They were literally spamming Medica II for every single mechanic and since I naturally drop Grit after the pull, I didn't anticipate the sudden mass aggro climb from a healer. I'm usually watching Monks or Black Mages. It didn't cause a wipe, but that WHM wound up without any MP fast and just stood around while the friend I queued with did more of the overall healing to make up for it.

They meant situations where they are not on healer and the two pug healers are pure healing only (no DPS at all healers) yet still fail to keep the group alive. They are proposing that healers that DPS are usually more skilled at the game than healers that do nothing but pure healing.

Which....well you can't paint every healer as such, but even I have seen many pure healing healers fail to heal content properly even with two healers who only focus on healing. This is why I would be a bit scared of DF if they made the content more healing intensive :x

In some respects, I agree. On the other hand, if content properly pushed players, we may just see improvements. Right now, the game is practically a faceroll outside Extreme and Savage. What incentive do players have to get better? Even if dungeons were more like The Aery and Vault, it'd be a step in the right direction.

[Miste]

In some respects, I agree. On the other hand, if content properly pushed players, we may just see improvements. What incentive do players have to get better?

Yeah, I understand your point about that and I also agree with it as well even though I would still be scared of DF xD

I've just seen many players fight against improvement so I am a bit jaded about it now. A lot of people harass me for trying to help them improve at their jobs or mechanics.

[Hamada]

They meant situations where they are not on healer and the two pug healers are pure healing only (no DPS at all healers) yet still fail to keep the group alive. They are proposing that healers that DPS are usually more skilled at the game than healers that do nothing but pure healing.

Which....well you can't paint every healer as such, but even I have seen many pure healing healers fail to heal content properly even with two healers who only focus on healing. This is why I would be a bit scared of DF if they made the content more healing intensive :x

How is that possible? O_o
Thank you for that translation, no wonder I was confused.

[bounddreamer]

How is that possible? O_o
Thank you for that translation, no wonder I was confused.

In the A12N normal that I described, there were zero dps issues. The healers were not good, at all. They didn't time their heals properly so the cleave->tankbuster->cleave killed me, the MT, then the dps with top aggro died, then the OT died, all because of lack of heals.

[Coatl]

Who cares? Like seriously. As long as you aren't in my raid group doing raid content, I don't really care what you do in dungeons as a healer.

[ErryK]

What do you mean? I seen healers do nothing but DPS and DPS too much to let people die. How can you wipe with only focused on healing though? I do not think I seen this ever. If you are focused in healing then people do not wipe, just takes longer.

A healer that spams Cure II at 90% of any target's HP, is worse than a healer that uses Cure II at 30% of a target's HP, after DPSing.

You'll run out of MP on one of them, can you guess which?

[kattzkitti]

A healer that spams Cure II at 90% of any target's HP, is worse than a healer that uses Cure II at 30% of a target's HP, after DPSing.

You'll run out of MP on one of them, can you guess which?

On WHM, healing costs less mana than DPS'ing. The fact that you don't know that tells me that you either don't play WHM, or don't understand how to play WHM correctly.