PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[SlogDog]

I do agree on "Pure healers =/= good healers" but this story is not proof of that. Just because they where pure healing does not mean they where doing it well. (Idk how a tank dies having a full healer who is also using defense cds) regardless if you REALLY want to blame lacking of total DPS, then DPS are to blame in that. No reason to have lack of dps in a12N even with no DPS healers.

The story is perfect proof of that. They didn't die to a DPS check they died to the healer just... failing. Failing their one job I might add. If any of you are feeling compelled to aid the healer in the story or pure healers in general take a moment to decide why you are feeling so defensive. Introspection and admitting pure healing just doesn't fly in this game is a good first step not saying "buhh, well dps healers are bad too!" "Errr, not all pure healers, NOT ALLLLLL" "Yoshi said X"

You can prefer just healing but until the game makes that a reality (not even solo healing requires 0 dps atm) you should try to do your jobs to the fullest. Not perfect, just try. I'm not trying to sound harsh I just to do not put feelings over everything else.

[Hamada]

The story is perfect proof of that. They didn't die to a DPS check they died to the healer just... failing. Failing their one job I might add. If any of you are feeling compelled to aid the healer in the story or pure healers in general take amoment to decide why you are feeling so defensive. Introspection and admitting pure healing just doesn't fly in this game is a good first step not saying "buhh, well dps healers are bad too!" "Errr, not all pure healers, NOT ALLLLLL" "Yoshi said X"

You can prefer just healing but until the game makes that a reality (not even solo healing requires 0 dps atm) you should try to do your jobs to the fullest. Not perfect, just try. I'm not trying to sound harsh I just to do not put feelings over everything else.

Sorry I am not following, I am not being defensive, I just do not think the story is proof of that. How does 2 wipes on a12n show healers need to dps? that means they did not pass some dps check right? or died do the second judgement when dps is too slow.

[Faliandra]

Sorry I am not following, I am not being defensive, I just do not think the story is proof of that. How does 2 wipes on a12n show healers need to dps? that means they did not pass some dps check right? or died do the second judgement when dps is too slow.

Its really not that hard to understand. Nowhere was being mentioned that the healers not dpsing caused the wipe,the point was that DESPITE both healers being pure healers, they STILL wiped twice
because the healers couldnt manage the healing properly.

Point is: dpsing healers heal better usually.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

We had some pure healers yesterday in A12N. The party wiped twice at the end of the fight. Both healers had nearly full mp bars. Once the tanks (who were mitigating) went down, the party slowly collapsed until we wiped. Twice.

Pure healers =/= good healers.

Sounds more to me like you're grasping at straws rather than anything remotely concrete. It's very possible that those healers were healing 8party content for the first time and had only done it as a dps. There's a distinct lack of evidence to denote anything about pure healers, and everything to suggest they were ridiculously unfamiliar with their own class. Which is possible, thanks to the fact that everyone can play everything on one character.

Course, I pretty much go flat out dps anyway so that if anything goes wrong the party just yells at the other healer instead. 83

[Aramina]

and everything to suggest they were ridiculously unfamiliar with their own class.

Then maaaaaaaaaaybe they should have learned some rudimentary skill with their own class before foisting themselves onto 6 other hapless strangers?

[SlogDog]

Sorry I am not following, I am not being defensive, I just do not think the story is proof of that. How does 2 wipes on a12n show healers need to dps? that means they did not pass some dps check right? or died do the second judgement when dps is too slow.

Some of you are overfocused on the dpsing part... not dpsing is more of a sign that they are poor players in general. They will not manage their cds/spells well, they will not adapt quickly to changes/issues that may arise, they will panic, they will overheal etc. They refuse to do dps cause it is an extra thing to juggle (for now) and think about and they can barely keep things in check as is.

They want the fights to be very slow and basic with no surprises or deviations from the last time they did that fight. If a mistake happens with two "pure" healers you will see it quickly snowballs out of control. There is no reaction time, they do not think 10 steps ahead of whats currently happening because they don't have to. They are slow, reactive healers that live only in the moment.

[Hamada]

Its really not that hard to understand. Nowhere was being mentioned that the healers not dpsing caused the wipe,the point was that DESPITE both healers being pure healers, they STILL wiped twice
because the healers couldnt manage the healing properly.

Point is: dpsing healers heal better usually.

What do you mean? I seen healers do nothing but DPS and DPS too much to let people die. How can you wipe with only focused on healing though? I do not think I seen this ever. If you are focused in healing then people do not wipe, just takes longer.

[Aramina]

What do you mean? I seen healers do nothing but DPS and DPS too much to let people die. How can you wipe with only focused on healing though? I do not think I seen this ever. If you are focused in healing then people do not wipe, just takes longer.

Just because you claim to be "focused on healing", it in no way mean you are pushing the right heals at the right people at the right time.

[dlgc]

The difference is that healer dps is painfully simplistic... not an afterthought tacked onto the side of their healer design.

That still doesn't answer the question why during periods of "downtime"(seconds when no healing is needed), do some "healers" just stand around doing nothing/dance emotes(and yes, I have seen scholars putting ppl on /follow and let the pet do all the work...That's another level of insanity I am not touching atm), when they can be a more productive element of their pt?

Cheers,
D.

[Faliandra]

What do you mean? I seen healers do nothing but DPS and DPS too much to let people die. How can you wipe with only focused on healing though? I do not think I seen this ever. If you are focused in healing then people do not wipe, just takes longer.

So because YOU havent seen it means it doesnt exist?

Jesus, if i got a dollar for every time i end up healing more and faster while dpsing compared to my heal-only co healer, id be rich.