Is Rampart only suppose to be my main form of migigation for bad healers

[Feidam]

You guys are just simply having to much faith , I just cant even do that to myself they pretty much took abilities they deemed where useless like clicking a defensive cool down was something that took any thought. Just like they took dps buffs because it was just so much for some people to handle I guess.

Good lord. They didn't removed defensive cool downs. they didn't remove dps cool downs. You are complaining to just complain at this point. Especially since you don't know what was added. With all the bemoaning on the forums i wish they would just listed the new skills as people apparently have no patience to see what was added before they make snap judgements.

[RaijinSupreme]

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its one thing to be patient and optimistic about all the changes the dev team is making, and hoping that it all turns out to be better than what we have now, but its something completely different to make baseless assumptions and form definitive conclusions without not only missing crucial information to make such conclusions, but not even have experienced the changes for yourself. You say you're getting angry, but for what? You have no clue what all the changes will mean in the end.

and I don't understand. A cool down that mitigates 20% damage for 20 secs, and can only be used every 2 minutes vs. a stat that innately gives me that 20% mitigation increase 100% of the time, and never has to go on a cooldown, which one sounds better?

[whiteblade89]

You're acting like they've thrown out every other defensive CD when that doesn't seem to be the case. It makes sense to blend shadow skin into rampart because it's the same exact thing, just a different skin. Did they say in the live letter that Rampart will be the ONLY defensive CD? If so, please show me where. And if not, this thread is pointless.

[bswpayton]

You're acting like they've thrown out every other defensive CD when that doesn't seem to be the case. It makes sense to blend shadow skin into rampart because it's the same exact thing, just a different skin. Did they say in the live letter that Rampart will be the ONLY defensive CD? If so, please show me where. And if not, this thread is pointless.

They clearly stated the goal was to get rid of button bloat and to get rid of skills they deemed useless. So why do you think they would replace those skills that would defeat the purpose of what their goal was , they just picked the wrong skills imo. So it would make no sense for them to replace the same skills with new skills again , so thats why things are concerning.

[joannaluttrell]

They clearly stated the goal was to get rid of button bloat and to get rid of skills they deemed useless. So why do you think they would replace those skills that would defeat the purpose of what their goal was , they just picked the wrong skills imo. So it would make no sense for them to replace the same skills with new skills again , so thats why things are concerning.

No no no. It was to *prevent* further button bloat. You could not keep everything AND get new skills for SB. Now you have room for new stuff.

[aleph_null]

Losing foresight is nothing compared to omni-directional parry/block, dark dance and bulwark will be stronger against mobs than what they currently are. Bloodbath on a job without burst like pld is a joke, it probably heals you like 4k hp over 15s. It works better on war because they pair bloodbath with berserk, not to mention longer duration. On drk you shouldn't even have it as a cross class since drk's aoe is magic based (unaffected by bloodbath), you should be taking foresight, mercy stroke, provoke, convalescence, awareness. None of these 5 are worse than bloodbath.

[Awful]

They clearly stated the goal was to get rid of button bloat and to get rid of skills they deemed useless. So why do you think they would replace those skills that would defeat the purpose of what their goal was , they just picked the wrong skills imo. So it would make no sense for them to replace the same skills with new skills again , so thats why things are concerning.

What no LOL you read it completely wrong! We have existing skills that are being improved, as for tanks having a cross class Rampart it's good not for bad healers it's to streamline mitigation in this new expansion which is probably gonna be a lot more brutal if they're introducing stuff like Tenacity. So please stop spreading this around until we know, actually have the expansion in our greedy little hands instead of complaining over something that isn't even a huge deal to begin with.

[Jib]

I have only read a 2-3 pages so far of this thread... pleaSE complain when it has release, 2 weeks after testing, before just STFU... don't base your criticism on speculation.... you haven't seen the full picture yet. Not enough info as of today to make assumptions...

[SendohJin]

They clearly stated the goal was to get rid of button bloat and to get rid of skills they deemed useless. So why do you think they would replace those skills that would defeat the purpose of what their goal was , they just picked the wrong skills imo. So it would make no sense for them to replace the same skills with new skills again , so thats why things are concerning.

Those are not consistent sentences. It makes perfect sense to replace useless skills with better skills.

And you're misinterpreting what they mean by get rid of useless skills. Physick for BLM was useless, it has been gotten rid of for BLM. The 10 Caster Role skills are all more useful to a BLM than Physick ever was.

They didn't say everything about Role Abilities was to get rid of button bloat. That's also not the only way they are reducing button bloat (the thing with spells replacing each other is another).

They also didn't say they would NOT make balance adjustments. Taking Bloodbath away from Paladin gets rid of Button Bloat and is a balance adjustment at the same time. You can't complain that the game will not be balanced until we see all the jobs play at 70.

[bswpayton]

What no LOL you read it completely wrong! We have existing skills that are being improved, as for tanks having a cross class Rampart it's good not for bad healers it's to streamline mitigation in this new expansion which is probably gonna be a lot more brutal if they're introducing stuff like Tenacity. So please stop spreading this around until we know, actually have the expansion in our greedy little hands instead of complaining over something that isn't even a huge deal to begin with.

maybe not to u but as of now drk has which I also play as well has rampart, shadow wall, conv, dark mind only works for magic damange unless they change this, and living dead. Maybe u guys didnt use blood bath or foresight on yals hot bar but for me they where more useful than mercy stroke something u can only use with 25 percent health left is useless to me as opposed to any form of mitigation at all.

And right now this cross role bs is basicly just gettin skills you arleady had in drk case a 310 potency loss and giving them back to you. Provoke, conv, rampart, awareness, with like one other slot to fill is not better than the other optiions that where there in cross class in my opinion. But again everyone tanks different , I took your advice on darkside no grit on mobs it works, but I just disagree with you on this one, the cross role skills that have been shown aernt nearly as good as the cross class skills for me.