Dev REQUEST: In 4.0, EXP to level 60 dungeons/trails and pvp & get rid of PotD req.

[Vidu]

Having the option of doing it with randos does not mean you need to do it with randos.

I've went over this quite a while ago in this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...1-200-to-queue!!

So I'm going to quote myself on this matter:

Sorry to put it this way: It appears to me that I (and other people...) have simply thought ahead and considered the consequenzes of putting this content into the DF. Something you dont seem to have - its great that you're okay with seeing 6 hours of play time going down the drain because somehow wipes your group, but you, as an individual isnt what we have to consider here. We have to consider that someone doesnt queue for that content without being fully aware what it means and is because its just some other content they can do now - the kind of player who enters an EX-primal without knowledge of the fight, barely reaching the ilvl (and the reason they even reach the ilvl are jewls, while the weapon is still the from the Vault) and doesnt get the conecpt of EXTREME primal at all. We have a lot of those kind of people in the game because most content is faceroll easy - to accomendate to their needs and wants, after all. They see an open queue and they'll jump in without a second thought

...but with an after thought - which is "Oh man, we wiped and now all my progress is gone?! That sucks, better make a complaint on the forums, this is outragoues and unfair! Nerf! NERF! This is to hard!"

Please take this into consideration instead of just saying "I dont mind having MY safe file ruined" - because yes, it is true ofc that I, personally, dont have to go in by DF and that my very own personal experience doesnt has to be influenced by this if I dont choose to - however it WILL influence the design and choices the devs are making for that content. No one of you guys who wnat this to be open uped has given me a decent reasurenace that this isnt gonna happen - I would really like the devs to stand their ground here and stick to their desicion... if they back down to adjust to YOUR needs now and change this content, whos telling me thats they wont do that in 3 months again to adjust to those crybabies that lost their saves? Yes, I want to have faith in the devs and thats why I'm asking to leave this content as it is.
I'm not basing my concerns on a personal experience you or I might have - I'm basing it on a bigger "statistic" that we can assume looking at what happend to lots of other content. I've seen them making many, many compromisses to accomendate to people who want to play solo but see everything - mainly ofc the addition of a NM version of raids so everyone can experience the story (killed my raiding motivation btw, but thats me, I know) - and yet you sit here and cry that you cant see those extra 10 bosses? Well, what you technically can...

...because again: if you're okay with wipes and fails - go in alone, whats stopping you?
And how is waiting in PF different from waiting in DF?

On the matter of being able to do it solo: Yes, its easy enough to solo - yet another reason we dont need it in DF: Everyone can already do that content. Opening it up to randoms also means: Opening up to randoms who will make mistakes. I just dont want to see this content get nerfed because people come to the forums and cry about someone who ruined their safe-file.

[Ogulbuk]

The content will likely be nerfed regardless, since it's going to be lvl 60 capped and the cap is going up. At some point it may be considered irrelevant and nerfed.

[Vidu]

The content will likely be nerfed regardless, since it's going to be lvl 60 capped and the cap is going up. At some point it may be considered irrelevant and nerfed.

And thats your reason we shouldnt ask for this content to be a challenge as long as possible? I'm sorry but thats stupid - we're all eventually going to die too, doesnt mean you have to end it today...

We also dont know if its going to nerfed - they could also just keep it as challenging content and either raise the level cap or even leave it as it is. Implementing caps on stats even when level 70 shouldnt be to difficult (seeing how my level 60 paladin has about 25k HP with 99/99 in PotD but easly 10k more with ilvl270 outside of it).

[Ogulbuk]

I'm not asking for it to be nerfed, I am just saying that asking for it to be less accessible in fear that popularity will result in it being nerfed IS stupid.

We also dont know if its going to nerfed

Same applies to both scenarios. Allowing people to form DF groups for it does not mean it would be nerfed, especially if it's not highest tier progression content. It's a very stupid reason to oppose it being more accessible for people that want to do it in groups but don't have enough regularly active friends to join them.

[Vidu]

I'm not asking for it to be nerfed, I am just saying that asking for it to be less accessible in fear that popularity will result in it being nerfed IS stupid.



Same applies to both scenarios. Allowing people to form DF groups for it does not mean it would be nerfed, especially if it's not highest tier progression content. It's a very stupid reason to oppose it being more accessible for people that want to do it in groups but don't have enough regularly active friends to join them.

Sorry, I have seen what has happend to content like Pharos, Steps of Faith... people were struggeling even a little bit , so they complained and perfectly fine content got nerfed.
I have also seen people in PotD-parties aswell as the higher floors - and no way those randoms can actually properly progress past 130. They require you to be careful and work together as team - and I dont see that happening in PotD.

[Ogulbuk]

Steps of Faith is required MSQ progression, and Pharos required to be able to access the level 50 roulete [eventually.] Both things that block progression if they are too hard for most people to actually do.

[Vidu]

Steps of Faith is required MSQ progression, and Pharos required to be able to access the level 50 roulete [eventually.] Both things that block progression if they are too hard for most people to actually do.

Cool, PotD doesnt block anything. Floors 101-200 arent even adding anything to the story, so they can stay that optional, out-of-DF-so-no-one-will-cry-for-nerfs challenge, right?

[Felis]

Steps of Faith is required MSQ progression, and Pharos required to be able to access the level 50 roulete [eventually.] Both things that block progression if they are too hard for most people to actually do.

Pharos got nerfed because people skiped that dungeon (keeped it unlocked). The requiremt to clear all dungeons for lv 50 roulette came together with the Pharos Sirius nerf.