Is Rampart only suppose to be my main form of migigation for bad healers

[bswpayton]

The more I keep lookin at the live letter and yosi's hot bar the more angrey I get. In my opinion bloodbath, and foresight was something all tanks could use and worked in all situations. So now drk, palidan and warrior lose two defensive cool downs because of button bloat huh? Defensive cool downs is what makes a tank a tank, why would you take their cool downs. In duty finder I have had to use every single cool down I had because you just simply dont know what kinda healer your goin to go. And this is healers that dont even dps, some players just struggle in general with mechanics and just because your a healer doesnt make this any different.

This was a bad move to think that tanks can get away with only having one cool down and getting away with just rampart. For instance on drk as it stands now dark mind only helps with magic damage, so they basically only have rampart , and shadow wall for physical mitigation, and may have to now use the wacky living dead more than every now nice move SE this was just a bad call these two skills where not useless or button bloat.

[Driavna]

No, 20% damage reduction is a CD shared for every tank (and it's no the only one) when SB arrive. During that live letter you can see how Paladin still have sheltron, bulwark (I'm not sure about sentinel) and at least one new defensive skills just for him. IMO? Stop overthinking this stuff, you are hurting yourself at this point.

Note: most of the shared tank skills are defensive CD btw.

[aleph_null]

Foresight is nowhere near as good as rampart though. That 20% physical defense boost translates to around 10% physical damage mitigation. Rampart gives you 20% mitigation against physical and magic damage, has the same cooldown and duration as foresight. Pld and drk still have sentinel and shadow wall, so while they do lose foresight, it's not really a major blow. Foresight is usually never good enough as a stand alone mitigation anyway, you'd probably pair it with something else.

Well I guess war is the one that benefits the most from this, losing foresight to gain rampart is a pretty huge boost.

[ErryK]

why would you take their cool downs

To replace them with even more cooldowns? Rampart got taken off PLD and added to cross-role so they could replace Rampart on PLD with something else, while also replacing Foresight and Shadowskin with Rampart, but also introducing newer skills to WAR and DRK for their "Gauge" mechanics.

[Aramina]

Can you please not make another new thread when the other one you made about cross-role actions is still on the front page?

[SendohJin]

Paladins having BLOODbath is dumb. now they'll have something else.

[bswpayton]

Foresight is nowhere near as good as rampart though. That 20% physical defense boost translates to around 10% physical damage mitigation. Rampart gives you 20% mitigation against physical and magic damage, has the same cooldown and duration as foresight. Pld and drk still have sentinel and shadow wall, so while they do lose foresight, it's not really a major blow. Foresight is usually never good enough as a stand alone mitigation anyway, you'd probably pair it with something else.

Well I guess war is the one that benefits the most from this, losing foresight to gain rampart is a pretty huge boost.

exactly warrior benefits from this I dont get anything on my pali or drk I actually lost two things is is what Im saying. I already had rampart and shadow skin I didnt gain anything at all on two tanks is what im sayin so I essentially lost two cool downs to share one with one tank when its three tanks.

[bswpayton]

Paladins having BLOODbath is dumb. now they'll have something else.

I guess so , but I guess you havent ran into your average everyday healer , that only heals doesnt regen, doesnt use divine seal, does rouse the fairy, doesnt use presence of mind, or any other thing that helps with healing. Like df is random you never know who your going to get in df sometimes it works perfect but not all the time. As I was working on my anima for drk I had an hour long run in freakin gubal library hard because the healer just simply was not that good. On pali what am I gona take mercy stroke which I had but it would actually be dum not to have bloodbath or foresight as a tank especially if you try to stay out of tank stance as much as possible

Not only where they bad but when I used living dead they said oh I couldnt find benediction on my hotbar yea this is the crap will have to deal with, with this stupid role system if you think people gona actually. be engaged with changing ur cross skills you guys are sleeping at the wheel

[Neophyte]

This was a bad move to think that tanks can get away with only having one cool down and getting away with just rampart.

Goddamit, stop with those assumptions.

Mitigation on tanks get reworked. You don't know which mitigation tools each tank will have and if a additional 20% CD is mandatory in every content.
E.g. Bulwark/Sheltron gets buffed in regards to that you can block from a wider (every?) angle and not just from the front, making Bulwark a way stronger CD as it is now.

And yes, if you're mostly concerned about running into the worst kind of Players all the time, then your options might be limited.
If you have a really bad healer an additional 20s 20% damage reduction won't save ya anyway.

I myself doesn't feel that hindered by bad players and I play WAR/PLD/WHM/AST/SMN/NIN quite often in df, in ex trials, in savage and every other content.

[bswpayton]

Goddamit, stop with those assumptions.

Mitigation on tanks get reworked. You don't know which mitigation
.

If you want people to tank more as Im assuming they do then why would you start buy cuttin their cooldowns thats what makes a tank a tank. Its not an assumption I looked at both yosi p hotbar for warrior and palidan, they took , fracture, mercy stroke, foresight , and bloodbath from warrior, I totally understand fracture and mercy stroke. But why would you call two defensive cool downs on a tank button bloat. Like fine if you want to take them but put some similar options in the cross role system well they didnt put trash in there, a stun with zero damage, an aoe provoke ? , a silence that last one second thats pure trash if you think those choices are better than bloodbath or rampart then I dont know what to tell you. And also reprisal witch also does zero damage as well.