PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[LaylaTsarra]

Rarely happens? You're either lying or you never do any roulette or pug PF. The number of players underperforming by a large marging and refusing to improve is actually quite high.
The "you don't pay my sub" and "I'm a healer, so I'll only heal" players are real.

Here, have a read of these 966 pages of people venting for that exact reason.

No I'm not lying. Don't categorize my statement as a lie because it isn't. I have 9 275 relics so roulettes were my bread and butter. I duty finder all the time. I have my main and 5 (FIVE) fully functional alts, all of which are geared at 270. I was earning 3600 scripture a week for a few weeks doing it and can't recall an instance where people were called out. People rarely get kicked and rarely get called out for what you consider to be underperformance.

And if you mean people like you on forums like this, then sure it's common place here but it sure isn't so in the real world of duty finder

[Fyce]

No I'm not lying. See don't categorize my statement as a lie because it isn't. I party finder all the time. I have my main and 5 (FIVE) fully funtional alts, all of which are geared at 270. I was earning 3600 scripture a week for a few weeks doing it. Don't tell me it's common because it isn't. People rarely get kicked and rarely get called out for what you consider to be underperformance.

Fine, I'll then call for the third option: you're really, really lucky.

Whatever the case, it's not sad to say that people draging the overall performance level of the entire community is an issue. This was my point.
And it's not "what I consider" what is underperforming. A player who's not using his full toolkit and who has an horrendous CPM is objectively underperforming. Ice mages are underperforming BLM. "I'm a healer so I'll only heal" are underperforming healers. A bard not using Requiem when the party can deal magic damage is underperforming. It's not an opinion. It's a mathematical and statistical fact. Takes a bit of common sense too.

Er, you do realize that we forum people are a small portion of the playerbase/community, right?

While I do dps as a healer, and wish all healers would at least try to... reality is Layla is correct in her assessment. IME, the issue is really only a big deal here.

It's not because a part of something is "small" that it's not representative. Otherwise the concept of surveys would be pointless, and voicing our expectations on the forum would be pointless. But you know, like me, that a lot of things are currently in the game because "forum people" asked for it.

Besides, I absolutly do not believe that healers not DPSing, tanks not properly holding aggro and not using their cooldowns, DPS not doing what they should be doing to improve their overall damage output, is something that nobody actually sees on a daily basis ingame. I experience it personally extremely frequently... but I have a felling that you're gonna say that my personal experience doesn't matter, as I'm only one person and a "forum people" at that.
I mean, if even 10k messages on a single thread isn't enough to convince you (it's the population of some servers, btw), then probably nothing can.

[Aramina]

Fine, I'll then call for the third option: you're really, really lucky.

Whatever the case, it's not sad to say that people draging the overall performance level of the entire community is an issue. This was my point.

And her point was that *THIS* is not the community. It is a portion of the community,. which is greatly outweighed by the other part of the community we are "lucky" about meeting in dungeons.

[Fyce]

And her point was that *THIS* is not the community. It is a portion of the community,. which is greatly outweighed by the other part of the community we are "lucky" about meeting in dungeons.

I never said that the official forums were the whole community. Don't put words in my mouth. You are probably not understanding what I meant when I said that these kind of encounters were "frequent".

What I'm saying is that players who are not using their full toolkit for personal reasons such as "I'm a healer, I only heal", or "you don't pay my sub, I play how I want", or "my character is an ice mage!", or "I don't need to use cooldowns, you are here to heal me", etc. are an issue. My take on it is that even if 1% of the playerbase is like that, it's still too high, as I can't stand lazy and selfish people who affect others negatively without giving a f*ck.

If you don't think that this is an issue to be worth taking in consideration, then just go your way, others will be there to care about it because they think that getting rid of these kind of negative behaviors in order to have a more healthy ingame community, is important.

[Aramina]

If you don't think that this is an issue to be worth taking in consideration, then just go your way, others will be there to care about it because they think that getting rid of these kind of negative behaviors in order to have a more healthy ingame community, is important.

The thing is, you (nor I nor any singular entity) gets to decide what qualifies as a healthy community. I have my personal opinions on how I would like to people to play (which are very similar to yours), however, at the end of the day if the masses decide playing a lower level than that is what they want... then their way turns out to be what is healthier. Majority rules and all that.

[Fyce]

The thing is, you (nor I nor any singular entity) gets to decide what qualifies as a healthy community. I have my personal opinions on how I would like to people to play (which are very similar to yours), however, at the end of the day if the masses decide playing a lower level than that is what they want... then their way turns out to be what is healthier. Majority rules and all that.

And you are not in the position to decide what people should care about either. You are not the majority you are speaking of either. So stop this hypocrisy and let people care about what they want to care. Saying that it's a non-issue is disrespectful for people experiencing said issue, and for those who care about resolving it.

I'm not deciding what is or isn't a "healthy community". It's obvious that lazy, egoistic, careless and selfish behaviors are not welcome in a social group of people working together to achieve a common goal. In short: is someone doing only half of what s/he should be doing detrimental to others? Yes, it is.
I'm basically telling you that water is wet, and you answer me with "you don't get to decide". So you do you, but I'm done answering these kind of posts.

[joannaluttrell]

Ok. Keep being miserable because people won't play the way you want them too.