PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Fyce]

This is not entirely true. If a tank holds aggro in tank stance for a whole dungeon, nobody says, " You should have been in dps stance, scrub! Try to contribute more, you lazy tank!" They are doing their ROLE in the party.

In dungeons, being in Tank stance is often more beneficial since you are doing big pulls. When you play with pugs, it also make your health more stable and reduce damage spikes if paired with a good cooldown management... which creates great opportunities for healers to DPS. What a small world.

But whatever the case, the gain between tank stance vs. DPS stance is tiny compared to what a healer can provide in terms of damage output if they weren't just sitting in the corner, waiting for the tank to get to the EXTREMELY DANGEROUS THRESHOLD OF 90% HEALTH OH MY GOD HE'S GOING TO DIE WHAT SHOULD I DO HERE TAKE A CURE II OMG OMG OMG BENEDICTION IS ON COOLDOWN BECAUSE I USED IT WHEN HE WENT TO 95% HP 2 MINUTES AGO HEALER IS SUCH A STRESSFUL JOB!!11!1!1!!!1!

[Alysrea]

You say that. And yet just from what I've seen, that's very much the norm. Rare, if ever do I see people hold DPS accountable, preferring to just shrug all the load onto the healer instead. After all, that's the meta, aye? Healers are expected to carry dps for the vast majority, yet even suggest that a dps could do better and suddenly the entire community flames for it.

Contribute =/= Carry.

[missybee]

Healers are expected to carry dps for the vast majority...

Literally no one expects this.

Everyone knows that a healer's number one priority is to heal. In the same vein, a the responsibility of the DPS is to deal damage. If people are blaming the healers and the healers alone for not meeting a DPS check, they are mentally vacant.

[SendohJin]

So, just to clarify here...it is okay if say...a PLD runs a dungeon and only uses Flash and defensive cooldowns. Nothing but Flash and defensive cooldowns. Keeps aggro of course but uses absolutely nothing else and that includes using zero sword combos...is this okay?

Or...you know wouldn't most people ask them to contribute DPS by using the combos they are given instead of them just spamming flash enough to hold hate then just using cool downs then AFKing until the mobs are dead?

first they would lose hate cause they run out of MP, second if they use every GCD on Flash they are not afking. i've seen many tanks pull 3 mobs at a time and doing sword combos only and not use defensive cooldowns. no one bitches at the tank to pull more, no one bitches at the tank to use cooldowns cause 3 mobs isn't doing anything to them in tank stance.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Contribute =/= Carry.

And yet their carrying the DPS can't clear a dps check without their assistance, which is effectively what the community wants in the first place. People don't push for the dps to get better at all from what I've seen, preferring to instead berate the healer for not dpsing when the issue is the dragoon spamming CT combo without putting up HT and ignoring BotD.

Top score with the silliness.

Literally no one expects this.

What game do you play, cause I want in. I'm remarking on instances that have legitimately happened in game.

[Miste]

first they would lose hate cause they run out of MP, second if they use every GCD on Flash they are not afking. i've seen many tanks pull 3 mobs at a time and doing sword combos only and not use defensive cooldowns. no one bitches at the tank to pull more, no one bitches at the tank to use cooldowns cause 3 mobs isn't doing anything to them in tank stance.

Not talking about MP so that is irrelevant... it was a hypothetical scenario if you notice.

If a PLD had full MP for every pull and were geared then yes you could hold hate by just using Flash until your MP runs out then AFKing.

[JunseiKei]

So, just to clarify here...it is okay if say...a PLD runs a dungeon and only uses Flash and defensive cooldowns. Nothing but Flash and defensive cooldowns. Keeps aggro of course but uses absolutely nothing else and that includes using zero sword combos...is this okay?

Or...you know wouldn't most people ask them to contribute DPS by using the combos they are given instead of them just spamming flash enough to hold hate then just using cool downs then AFKing until the mobs are dead?

Honestly, I'd probably be more amazed they managed to maintain their MP pool without using at least the riot blade combination. You say MP is irrelevant in this situation, but you still do need to keep in mind that it will go down and it will need replenishing unless you're running cheats or are a GM. However, in my personal experience, a paladin using only flash has never been able to hold aggro against a good DPS that wants to do nothing but their maximum potential.

[Alysrea]

no one bitches at the tank to pull more.

Whaaat? people do bitch at tanks to pull more 100% of the time, in fact the emphasis on doing Giant pulls was such a big deal in the community square enix started to change the way they designed dungeons to have significantly more Gates or slow timed spawn of enemies that only appear after specific mobs are killed then previously, in early dungeons you can run from one boss to another without a single thing stopping you and this was normal and expected , now its like a 6 mob limit before square enix puts in a gate or requires you to kill a specific enemy before a new set of monsters spawn.

[Aramina]

no one bitches at the tank to pull more....

You can't possibly be serious. Out of all scenarios: a) Tanks not pulling enough b) DPS being lazy and c) Healers not DPSing, a) happens EXPONENTIALLY more frequently than the other 2 combined.


I am beginning to wonder if it is a data center difference.

[SendohJin]

Not talking about MP so that is irrelevant... it was a hypothetical scenario if you notice.

If a PLD had full MP for every pull and were geared then yes you could hold hate by just using Flash until your MP runs out then AFKing.

that also only works if the DPS is bad, your hypothetical is bad. there are actual events that happen that you don't acknowledge, lots of tanks don't use mitigation cooldowns.