PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Tsumdere]

So, what it really boils down to is healers using their whole package, yet there is no accountability when dps or tanks don't?

Healers are suppose to mitigate damage by dpsing? So, when do you hold the dps or tanks accountable for not using their mitigation (def cds)? You don't because of the MA DEEPS meta. If it clips a gcd, it's just not worth it.

Nobody outside SAVAGE uses their whole package 100%. Stop picking on the healers.

I really wish the would remove the cast bars from the party list. That way you can't single someone out because YOU think they are bad.

People do hold DPS and tanks accountable for using their whole skill set. Just read some of the "Tales from the Duty Finder" stories to hear about it. I for one, call out DPS/Tanks not using support skills and defensive cooldowns. The difference is, most of them say "ok" instead of going on a diatribe about how they are "DPS AND DON'T USE NON-DPS SKILLS" and whatever tanks say.

[Alysrea]

So, what it really boils down to is healers using their whole package, yet there is no accountability when dps or tanks don't?

Healers are suppose to mitigate damage by dpsing? So, when do you hold the dps or tanks accountable for not using their mitigation (def cds)? You don't because of the MA DEEPS meta. If it clips a gcd, it's just not worth it.

Nobody outside SAVAGE uses their whole package 100%. Stop picking on the healers.

I really wish the would remove the cast bars from the party list. That way you can't single someone out because YOU think they are bad.

If a tank dies or does poorly and they clearly didn't use defensive cooldowns people do complain?, I don't know what universe you live in and there are plenty of stories of black mages who do their rotations completely wrong by just spamming Blizzard and never use Fire and people complain equally hard if not harder than they do at healers not doing DPS.

People do hold DPS and tanks accountable for using their whole skill set. Just read some of the "Tales from the Duty Finder" stories to hear about it. I for one, call out DPS/Tanks not using support skills and defensive cooldowns. The difference is, most of them say "ok" instead of going on a diatribe about how they are "DPS AND DON'T USE NON-DPS SKILLS" and whatever tanks say.

^ This exactly, when they are called out on it they usually TRY to do better, I have never had a DPS tell me some sort of reason they do not want to use cooldowns, or a tank who is clearly dying from taking to much damage tell me he doesn't need cooldowns.

[Fyce]

So, what it really boils down to is healers using their whole package, yet there is no accountability when dps or tanks don't?

Tanks not using cooldowns get yelled at. Tanks not properly maintaining aggro get yelled at. DPS who clearly don't do anything get yelled at. DPS who fail DPS checks get yelled at.
For DPS, it's a bit harder to do since calling someone with parse evidence is prohibited. Yet, you often see a thread opening because someone got banned for saying a to DPS that he sucks because he only does X amount of dps.

Get over yourself, healers are not special snowflakes. People don't like slackers, would they be healers, tanks or DPS. That's all.

[missybee]

So, what it really boils down to is healers using their whole package, yet there is no accountability when dps or tanks don't?

Healers are suppose to mitigate damage by dpsing? So, when do you hold the dps or tanks accountable for not using their mitigation (def cds)? You don't because of the MA DEEPS meta. If it clips a gcd, it's just not worth it.

Nobody outside SAVAGE uses their whole package 100%. Stop picking on the healers.

I really wish the would remove the cast bars from the party list. That way you can't single someone out because YOU think they are bad.

In what world are DPS and tanks not held accountable? If a DPS or a tank slacks off, you best believe I will indiscriminately kick them just as quick as a lazy healer.

Get over yourself, healers are not special snowflakes. People don't like slackers, would they be healers, tanks or DPS. That's all.

This is pretty much everything.

[Dualgunner]

People do hold DPS and tanks accountable for using their whole skill set. Just read some of the "Tales from the Duty Finder" stories to hear about it. I for one, call out DPS/Tanks not using support skills and defensive cooldowns. The difference is, most of them say "ok" instead of going on a diatribe about how they are "DPS AND DON'T USE NON-DPS SKILLS" and whatever tanks say.

"I don't use any skills but Flash and defensive cooldowns!"

[BorisDaBlade]

People do hold DPS and tanks accountable for using their whole skill set. Just read some of the "Tales from the Duty Finder" stories to hear about it. I for one, call out DPS/Tanks not using support skills and defensive cooldowns. The difference is, most of them say "ok" instead of going on a diatribe about how they are "DPS AND DON'T USE NON-DPS SKILLS" and whatever tanks say.

In your instances maybe. I've ran into quite a few dps that say, "you should just heal me through it, or the tried and true "it's my sub....".

The tales of the DF is a terrible representation of the community because it's mostly filled with elitests that like to brag about how much they had to "suffer" through and instance with people that should unsub.

You don't see dps being kicked for not cross classing featherfoot, but wait till a healer has slotted protect into slot one instead of clerics in low level dungeons.

[Naunet]

Well, in fairness: There aren't a great many mechanics you can actually do for tanks and healers in particular.

"You don't heal in a vacuum" refers to the entire fight, not just what damage is going out to a tank. Thus my statement that engaging boss mechanics can make even simplistic healing fun because the encounter overall is interesting.

[JunseiKei]

It doesn't happen with the equivalent frequency of the free time a healer has between heals and situations I have been in where similar has happened is similarly treated as unacceptable.

I'm on the other end of that spectrum, mainly because I play heals most of the time. I run into more DPS trying to get good parses than making sure we don't raid wipe to an add DPS check. Nidhogg EX and A11S being the worst offenders I can think of, but not limited to.
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It appears most people just want healers to attempt to DPS (with cleric stance). I can understand the sentiment that this is asking for healers to do more than is necessary/work harder than others. A tank that is having trouble holding aggro, or is afraid to, generally doesn't get reprimanded for not dropping out of tank stance. Yet, people are more willing to vote kick a healer for not popping cleric stance because the healer isn't conforming to a party's demands. They could be DPSing, but they are bad because no cleric stance.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Healers who fail DPS checks get yelled at.

Fixed that for you just a bit~ Never have I seen anyone ever get mad at a dps, even if dps checks are failed. They just immediately jump on the healer.

[missybee]

Fixed that for you just a bit~ Never have I seen anyone ever get mad at a dps, even if dps checks are failed. They just immediately jump on the healer.

That is far and away the silliest thing I have read in this entire thread.