PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Alysrea]

I think the general thing to take away here is that: Not everyone plays the game the same way. Some people are comfortable dpsing and some arent. While, yes, which the new changes it makes it easier to dps as a healer, it might not be for everyone. So really, just be kind and understanding to people. If youre a dps and see a healer is questioning if they should dps or not, help out a bit by avoiding aoes, using the new ability that removes statuses from party members. Acting salty and bashing anyone who doesnt play like you is going to get us nowhere.

While this is most certainly true, If you want to choose play in a unique way that doesn't conform to the 3-7 other members of your party being kicked for different playstyles is 100% a valid reason in square enix's eyes, So if you are aware of your parties expectations (specifically when they express to you a request to DPS and not stand still doing nothing but waiting to heal) then I feel you are giving up your right to complain about being kicked if you are kicked, because you just don't want to work WITH the team, it may be your sub and you may have a desire to do things your way but people have a right to not want to play with you in the same way you have a right to refuse to DPS.

[Faliandra]

I think the general thing to take away here is that: Not everyone plays the game the same way. Some people are comfortable dpsing and some arent. While, yes, which the new changes it makes it easier to dps as a healer, it might not be for everyone. So really, just be kind and understanding to people. If youre a dps and see a healer is questioning if they should dps or not, help out a bit by avoiding aoes, using the new ability that removes statuses from party members. Acting salty and bashing anyone who doesnt play like you is going to get us nowhere.

you do have a very valid point there.

I am going to assume that part of your comment is refering to me, so let me just explain this one:

I'm not expecting someone to max out his fullest potential like I do, I just really dislike people generally underestimating a healer's possible dps impact.


(because it is this misconception what makes many healers think even more that its fine to not dps..."not like it will do much of a difference anyway")

[Yiazy]

you do have a very valid point there.

I am going to assume that part of your comment is refering to me, so let me just explain this one:

I'm not expecting someone to max out his full potential, I just really dislike people generally underestimating a healer's possible dps impact.

I was not referring to you in all honesty, no idea who you are, just came to post that one thing and go.

[Uzephi]

I will put my 2 gil in here. I came from a few other MMOs and started playing here because an old guildmate/friend asked me to. I mained healer in quite a few MMOs and this one has healers so AFK I actually started doing damage to contribute because just healing gets boring after awhile. Any healer who wants to not DPS is just lazy and boring as a player. I played an MMO where healers had to 5 second cast rule to keep mana regen going so it was needed to rest. so far I have not seen this in many MMOS but the damage here feels like the 5SR applies but you have a but load of mana regen compared to the game that didn't let your mana regen until 5secs of not casting. Now I may not have hit end game as of yet, but I am having difficulties to even burn half my mana while DPS and healing and keeping my downtime to a minimum.

TL/DR even a new player who has played a game where a healer can only heal says damaging in downtime is beneficial to the group and your sanity.

[Faliandra]

haha ok then :P

i still think my point is valid that way. So whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[JunseiKei]

the OTHER DPS or tank will kill the mob for me

.... You'd actually be surprised how common that is for people using parsers and pushing for good [personal] parses to upload. Especially when you understand that fflogs cuts off overkill damage. IJS, it does happen, just not the reason being argued currently.

[Naunet]

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You missed my points entirely.

You assertion that casting Cure, Cure II, and Medica only is boring means that the design of the heals is boring. And that is true. The healing spells in this game are some of the least inspired I've ever encountered. Rather than using that as a defense, encourage SE to actually put some real thought into healing spells.

Secondly, not all mechanics = damage to heal. When I said you don't heal in a vacuum, I meant that when you are healing, you are also engaging with the rest of the fight and dealing with whatever mechanics are tossed your way - be it proper positioning, avoiding AoE, splitting up into different groups... Though again, your response makes it clear that SE lacks ingenuity when it comes to boss encounter mechanics if "Tank AA, tank buster, raid aoe, and dots" are the only things you could really think of.

[Alysrea]

.... You'd actually be surprised how common that is for people using parsers and pushing for good [personal] parses to upload. Especially when you understand that fflogs cuts off overkill damage. IJS, it does happen, just not the reason being argued currently.

It doesn't happen with the equivalent frequency of the free time a healer has between heals and situations I have been in where similar has happened is similarly treated as unacceptable.

[Zojha]

Though again, your response makes it clear that SE lacks ingenuity when it comes to boss encounter mechanics if "Tank AA, tank buster, raid aoe, and dots" are the only things you could really think of.

Well, in fairness: There aren't a great many mechanics you can actually do for tanks and healers in particular. It's always going to boil down to getting healthbars up (either because they were damaged by unavoidable damage or because they start out at 1), switching or resetting aggro or mitigating a hit you can't dodge. It's that category that the person quoted is alluding to - Trinity exclusive mechanics.

Whenever there's an avoidable component, that part of the mechanic isn't healer/tank specific. When there's a stack mechanic, everyone needs to stack. If there's a gaze mechanic, everyone needs to turn etc. Those kinds of mechanics also work in non-trinity games, you can often translate them 1:1 even. That's a different category of mechanics, because they have nothing to do with healers, tanks or DPS in particular. You could even use many of them in a jump'n run style game ala Super Mario. Healers and tanks do need to deal with those as well of course (which feeds your second point from the previous post), but you don't need them for them.

I personally find the latter a lot more engaging than the prior, but that's just showing my preference for non-trinity gameplay. And it's tangential to the topic at best, so /huh.

[BorisDaBlade]

So, what it really boils down to is healers using their whole package, yet there is no accountability when dps or tanks don't?

Healers are suppose to mitigate damage by dpsing? So, when do you hold the dps or tanks accountable for not using their mitigation (def cds)? You don't because of the MA DEEPS meta. If it clips a gcd, it's just not worth it.

Nobody outside SAVAGE uses their whole package 100%. Stop picking on the healers.

I really wish the would remove the cast bars from the party list. That way you can't single someone out because YOU think they are bad.