PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Nestama]

One of the dps was stuck in it and the DPS didn't try enough while the healer spammed medica 2 on the aoe it does.

Unsurprisingly, the Medica II spam bothers me more than the DPS not trying hard enough... waste of MP :U

[Vhailor]

Instead of being condescending or immediately kicking healers for not dpsing please try to inform and educate them first. If you see a healer not dpsing maybe politely ask if they know how and are aware of the changes made to healer dps. If they respond with anything along the lines of "I don't dps because I'm a healer lulz." go ahead and kick. But if they are unsure of themselves and still learning please make sure to establish that this isn't the case and offer help before burning them at the stake.

I'm sorry, but I think this is going overboard a bit.

In regards to healers in 3.x, all I can say is this: people are supposed to learn things without having to be told. As healers, all of them have experience dealing damage before ever entering their first dungeon - because they have to kill things on their own, without a party. They also almost certainly have experience with lower-level dungeons before people start initiating kick-votes (I've never, ever seen people complaining about healers dealing damage in the first few storyline dungeons).

That should be enough. Players who don't pick it up from there absolutely deserve a bit of an edge from people who rightly feel as if people should have learned the basics by the mid-30s, let alone the 50s or 60s.

In regards to the upcoming changes, I can guarantee they're going to be explained ad nauseum by in-game systems when they're actually live. SE isn't going to just drop people into the typical game world with no explanation of the role-based system, with no announcement indicating Things Have Changed. So, for 4.x, people are also on the hook for being competent without having to be told.

As an aside, this has absolutely nothing to do with being a 'casual' player. It has to do with people giving a sh*t. Not dealing damage as a healer is no less egregious than ignoring Firestarter procs on BLM, or not putting up songs where relevant as a BRD, or never using an AoE ability. The appropriate response to such behaviour is not, in my opinion, a herculean display of patience.

[Beckett]

Any time a change like this is made, there's a big tool tip the first time you log on or switch to that class. I guarantee there will be an in-game explanation for the new Cleric Stance.

[Faliandra]

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

so you think comparing one job that requires you to be 20% active (heal) to a job that nearly requires 100% uptime (dps) is fair?

You throwing a heal every 20 seconds is the same as a dps pushing 1 button every 20 seconds.

You're the same as all these bards and machnists who refuse to use their support cos "lol im a dps,not a support" or tanks who dont use their self-heals or defensive cooldowns.

You're not ´having 2 jobs, you're playing 1 job class who happens to be hybrid, so the distribution of offensive and defensive spells isnt always equal, but ultimately, you still have 1
job just like everyone else. and your job asks you to make use of your full tool kit.


What I hate most about this attitude is that you wont even try. Youre just like "yeah but im a healer".
Its actually super fun and satisfying to dish out dps as a healer. I had to learn that too. I've been playing pure healers
for over a decade and I also didnt start this game with a "yassssss, muh deeeeeps" attitude.
But I was open to it because I wanted to be a good player.

And you know whats the funniest part? For some reason I react faster with heals than the usual heal-only co-healers I get, despite me having to turn off cleric stance etc.
I can honestly say that this game has taught me a lot about healing thanks to cleric stance that other games failed to do.

[SendohJin]

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

tanks DPS every time they do their tank combos.

DPS that that don't use support abilities are just as bad as healers that don't DPS when there's nothing else to do.

[Raim]

Imagine if a Paladin went into a party and only used Flash because "Holding threat is his only job." You'd be pretty upset about that.

[Arrius]

No one said that. People are saying you're more likely to get kicked for not using your DPS abilities now, since the cleric stance excuse is out of the picture.

No. Cleric Stance is now just a small buff like Raging Strikes. It'll help if you want to push out damage during a burn phase, but its far from mandatory I imagine. What people will kick you for is if you don't use damaging spells at all, now that theres no stance dancing to worry about.

Nah, it's more about with the change to how Cleric Works and MND now being Healers Damage calculation as well, there honestly is no excuse to not at least throw DOTs when you don't need to heal. For those who just refuse to DPS, they are honestly just being stubborn.

It's more that people don't look at the DPS classes first - If they do better, the clear times are much faster than letting out your frustration on the healers, because they are apparently lazy at the back.
I don't mind myself do damage as a healer : I play healers on TERA, which are far more dynamic and damage oriented, especially since they got important debuffs to boot that need to be on the bosses 100% of the time.

But putting the healers in this game through the grinder when they don't DPS is not right.
If they don't, save the complaints and keep DPS'ing.

[akaneakki]

Unsurprisingly, the Medica II spam bothers me more than the DPS not trying hard enough... waste of MP :U

Many times I've met non dps healers in roulettes and most of them spam heal its crazy. You aren't good if you spam heal and you are not good at all if you stand still helping the group with no mitgation. Dead add or boss is best mitigation in game. Anyways, the person doesn't bother me at all. I've played alot with non dps healers, but when I actually see them doing barely anything I do kick them. I'm not okay with afk people in my roulettes.

[Raim]

Once again Arrius. The problem with healer DPS isn't just about shaving minutes off of a dungeon run. Its about contribution. If the tank and DPS are pressing a button every GCD while you're standing there doing nothing for 10+ seconds because nobody needs healing, you're being lazy and not putting in as much effort as the others.

[Taika]

It's more that people don't look at the DPS classes first

This is not true, these are two entirely separate issues. No one is saying healers should DPS to cover DDs' slack. What's being said is that healers should DPS because otherwise they're being much less inactive than any other roles (a healer can get by casting 1 heal every 20 seconds while tanks and DDs are using all of their GCDs - and then some).