Summoner cast Bahamut

[Reaperking386]

Well lets hope it does more damage that Garuda...

or it will just be sitting the bench with the rest of the pets.

That said... where did you get this information?

Bahamut will be replacing the current Bahamut Stance. He will only appear once the stance is active. Once the action is over he will be replaced back to Garuda.

"Lots of summoners voiced their complaints that they did not want to turn into bahamut" - Yoshi P.

Resource: FINAL FANTASY XIV Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XXXVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ka3PwPa1JI

[Silverquick]

Bahamut will be replacing the current Bahamut Stance. He will only appear once the stance is active. Once the action is over he will be replaced back to Garuda.

"Lots of summoners voiced their complaints that they did not want to turn into bahamut" - Yoshi P.

Resource: FINAL FANTASY XIV Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XXXVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ka3PwPa1JI

So its going to do the actual Deathflare?

At least I hope so...

Right now I wipe out packs of 6-10 mobs in less than 30 seconds using what we have...

Using Garuda Aerial Blast (Enkindle), Bane DoTs, 2 Painflares and Deathflare...

So... if this pet replaces Deathflare... it better be good.

Deathflare was doing about 6600-10000 per mob (High Crit was 13k /Bard) in a one shot Teraflare style attack... on a pack of 6-12.

So... there you have it... it better be really good... and not just for show.

EDIT: If this is what they did they essentially locked the Job at 50th level while all the others moved to level 70.

[Leigaon]

So its going to do the actual Deathflare?

.. ... it better be really good... and not just for show.

From what it looks like is we get to do our own deathflare but once he's summoned we tell him when to do it. There was still roughly 5 seconds left and the symbol in front of us showed us giving the command. So I guess after we go into the trance so many times we can summon him. I would personally like it if he did it automatically at the end of the time limit or we could command it so if we're stuck or lag / forget..take your pick, it still goes off.

I'm glad they gave the ability to summon him, but of course give people an inch and they want a yard. Already we're filling up with "Gimme Ifrit!" rather than people wondering if the pet abilities are being fixed or the enkindle issues being addressed.

Not sure what you're expecting but it should be good. Unfortunately the "just for show" part is a concern and could very well just be that since that's what a vast vocal majority on here wanted rather than actual adjustments. I would assume that once we go from egi to winged-dragon mode the actual pets dmg increases.

I'm more curious about spell being adjusted either via potency / levels or their actual usefulness. Also, no new pet actions from what I've seen.

Then again, not everything was shown not every detail was given. We were given the meat, but the potato's and other delicious sides are still on the way.

I wonder about Direct Hit and our spell speed boost. If things will change so it goes off for that, or if it might not if things like Direct Hit are so frequent. Which is good either way, if it's frequent enough it means our pets will have that mid-crit a lot more.

In terms of just for show, this makes me happy. I'll have my carbuncle out and have him transform into the mighty dragon!

[Hustensaft]

Bahamut will be replacing the current Bahamut Stance. He will only appear once the stance is active. Once the action is over he will be replaced back to Garuda.

It doesn't replace anything.

You enter Dreadwyrm Trance once (which still lasts 15 seconds going by the bar - still is ended with by casting Deathflare ). On your Dragon-Bar, the golden Dragon Icon turns Blue.
You enter DWT for the second time (which again lasts 15 seconds). Now the Dragon-Icon starts to glow.
Summon Bahamut becomes available, and lasts for 20 seconds.

Aetherflow + Attunement might also have been changed. There is no duration shown on the Attument stacks on the UI, and the whole bar is "locked" when in DWT.

[Silverquick]

It doesn't replace anything.

You enter Dreadwyrm Trance once (which still lasts 15 seconds going by the bar - still is ended with by casting Deathflare ). On your Dragon-Bar, the golden Dragon Icon turns Blue.
You enter DWT for the second time (which again lasts 15 seconds). Now the Dragon-Icon starts to glow.
Summon Bahamut becomes available, and lasts for 20 seconds.

Aetherflow + Attunement might also have been changed. There is no duration shown on the Attument stacks on the UI, and the whole bar is "locked" when in DWT.

That's good to know,

As long as the Deathflare (aka Teraflare) Portion remains and uses the Summoner's Stats then it shouldn't cause too many problems so long as its not based off of Pet Stats.

As it stands Aerial Blast which is our other big signature AoE attack from Garuda, when you Rouse + Spur is supposed to be a 450 potency AoE, but when the pet does it it gets significantly reduced in damage due to the attack using the Pet Stats rather than the Summoner Stats.

Hence while Aerial Blast is actually a really good AoE it doesn't do much more damage than a 300 potency Fester in a per target basis. I estimate that with Rouse and Spur Aerial Blast only does about a 350 potency attack given the comparison to Fester damage.

But the recast on Enkindle (Aerial Blast) is 3 minutes as compared to the 1 minute (due to Aetherflow stacks and its CD) of Dreadwyrm for Teraflare. So there's really no justification for a 3 minute recast timer on Enkindle no matter how you slice it.

EDIT: If they did make the Teraflare (Deathflare) based on Pet stats though, they end up gimping the SMN DPS output. That would be a major mistake.

The other place this can come back on you is the Animation lock time... If they lock you into an animation while the pet is doing Single Target damage in an AoE situation, you just hosed up everything and no one will ever use it.

[Sylvain]

Well... we're summoning Bahamuth which was the last boss of ARR.
I don't believe we'll summon the six elemental primal for 2 reasons
1- developpement time would be very high.
2- I'm not sure how much sens lore wise it would make since we didn't spent that much time fighting the element primal and Bahamut >>> elemental summons
3- I thought they wanted to use the "lesser primal" as alternate form for our pet. Which would be more consistent.

However, I do believe we could actually see an alternate form, Alexander.
This would require less developpement time since they'd need to make only 1 and from a lore point of view, Alexander is as much of a deal as Bahamuth was.
He was posing a threat to Eorzea as a whole. The other primal were small fry compared to Bahamuth and Alexander.

And as someone pointed, this could be sold on the moggle station.
Depending on the price I believe it would be pretty popular.
It would require much more developpement time than the 3 carbuncle we currently have. I expect we'd get totally new animation from it. Different laser etc.
Let's not forget that from their pov, they gain nothing from developping alternate summon form. It's a money sync.
Paying would also ensure a better quality. If they charge you for an alternate form, it's gotta a be a god damn good alternate form otherwise they won't sell it.

If I were to main summoner, I wouldn't mind spending 5-10 buck to summon Alexander. I mean, if people are fine paying 4-5 for an outfit, that shouldn't be too much of a deal.

[Natsuno]

And as someone pointed, this could be sold on the moggle station.

Please, no.

I'd rather they made us wait an expansion and give us something useful with it than just a alternative to a Bahamut skin (and what's with the the mog shop obsession with everyone).

If Bahamut is single target, then Alexander could be a wide range AoE (drawing from older incantaions of the summon), or if we draw on the 'time' aspect, it could give a raid/party wide haste buff. Viable or not, that's just a couple of ideas that come to mind. There is so much that could be done than with Alexander than just making it an alternate visual for bahamut.

[Sylvain]

snip.

Well first, they would never sell something useful on the mog station.
What you suggest is a different skill in itself. So if they were to ever do something like this, it would be as you pointed a new skill in itself and would fit a new expansion.


What I pointed was, since many people would like to be able to summon different primal, without going as far as introducing new skills, skin would be a solution. However, there's an order of magnitude of difference between introducing 3 carbuncle egi and an alternate Bahamuth. If we keep Alexander as an example, they wouldnt (or shouldnt at least) let you summon alexander without changing his spell cast, which means he wouldn't cast deathflare but his own ultimate (the huge charged laser from the its eye I guess)., then, it would also be weird to cast bahamuth transe and then summon alexander. So, introducing as a skin alexander would require much more work than simply changing bahamuth, to make the whole thing consistent, new animation would need to be introduced. Which is why I said the mog station would be a solution. I do not see SE spending that much ressource into a free skin.

An egi is different as they have much less details and have no spell interaction with the summoner.

[TheGothmog]

look at the pretty sphere that makes it a 'pet' wooooo pretty sphere....so if fireball had pretty sphere it be a pet?a pet is a summoned beast that can act on its own or be ordered,it does not appear than go away.it is an attack spell that has the form of a beast.if you want to call it a pet,than you need to change classes,sorry ive played plenty of classes that had summoned pets,NONE would even remotely call this a pet.

[TheGothmog]

i have no idea why you even think this is a pet summons,it is an attack spell,that has form of a pet.it is crap.the last pet was level 30,this is now 40 lvls and no new pet for a pet based job.that is a JOKE. don't dare call this thing a pet.will it follow you?take orders?looking for an excuse as to why we are not screwed once again as we were in hw.