What are the most common reasons people don't dps?

[Nyxn607]

I dps when I feel comfortable doing so.

However, as others have explained, I came from two MMO's in particular (WoW and EQ) where if you were DPSing as a healer you were told to GTFO.

On a side note, in those games if a healer needed to DPS, then it meant your DPS classes were rather lackluster. I personally take that aspect into FFXIV. The DPS classes should be able to kill mobs fast enough to where a healer should never need to DPS.

Just saw a post above here, I am also on console/controller user. It is not overly difficult, but definitely more difficult than a mouse/ keyboard user to switch CS on and off.

[Arynne]

These threads drive me nuts. There can be any number of reasons. Maybe they don't want to, maybe they aren't that good, maybe the tank on chain pulls doesn't use CDs, maybe the DPS does dumb things.

How about the fact that 90% of the DPS I do duties with are so poor at their class that it equals a healer not playing their class to its fullest? It's so subjective.

But I think a large part of this conversation is to bring up just how many reasons there can be. Most of the other threads I've seen rapidly boil down to the person who doesn't DPS is lazy, or looking to leech, or doesn't care and is a horrible person for inflicting their "this is my sub I play how I want" attitude on the other people in their party. In reality there's a lot of reasons why it can happen, and it's nice to have a reminder of that from time to time.

[HoodRat]

On a side note, in those games if a healer needed to DPS, then it meant your DPS classes were rather lackluster. I personally take that aspect into FFXIV. The DPS classes should be able to kill mobs fast enough to where a healer should never need to DPS.

The argument for healer dps has nothing to do with how much damage the dps and/or tanks are doing. Once you reach the so called "healing cap," any additional healing is a wast of time and mp. At that point, your options are to do nothing or to dps. And just to give everyone an idea of how little healing is actually required, you can go to fflogs and look at the fastest clears for Creator Savage before echo, and the fastest one for each had both healers in cleric stance for at least 70% of the instance. Obviously the groups are pretty hardcore and are masters of their classes, but it just doesn't add up at all when other people say they have zero time to dps.

[HoodRat]

But I think a large part of this conversation is to bring up just how many reasons there can be. Most of the other threads I've seen rapidly boil down to the person who doesn't DPS is lazy, or looking to leech, or doesn't care and is a horrible person for inflicting their "this is my sub I play how I want" attitude on the other people in their party. In reality there's a lot of reasons why it can happen, and it's nice to have a reminder of that from time to time.

There are many reasons for why healers don't dps, but in reality they all fall under one of two categories. Either the healer doesn't know what they're doing or they really are just lazy. If a healer doesn't know what they're doing, they might be healing too much, healing inefficiently, they can't read the incoming damage so they stand around a bit waiting for people to take damage, whatever is going on is just eating up the time they have to dps. With more practice and research, healers can get better with that. And for the lazy healers, it's usually stuff like, "I'm a healer it's not my job to dps," or "healer dps isn't required to clear," or even people refusing to dps because they just don't like cleric stance. They're essentailly saying they recognize that they can dps safely, but they're choosing to do nothing instead.

[Nyxn607]

The argument for healer dps has nothing to do with how much damage the dps and/or tanks are doing. Once you reach the so called "healing cap," any additional healing is a wast of time and mp. At that point, your options are to do nothing or to dps. And just to give everyone an idea of how little healing is actually required, you can go to fflogs and look at the fastest clears for Creator Savage before echo, and the fastest one for each had both healers in cleric stance for at least 70% of the instance. Obviously the groups are pretty hardcore and are masters of their classes, but it just doesn't add up at all when other people say they have zero time to dps.

I am just guessing by your reply, you didn't bother reading OP's post.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Because I only play healer in very specific instances. ;3 Being SMN means I'm often the only FC member on with a healer leveled lol. I ain't comfortable with it, never really used it before (was a trial by fire: EX trials, just jab the green buttons until some combination of them starts keeping people alive LOL). Only have half the job quests finished so I'm missing a bunch of abilities too. But when FC mates are like "yo, we gonna pony/bird farm" I get stuck with healing. >w<;; We usually have a bunch of newbies in the fights too, so I spend a lot of time saving them from flubbed mechanics. XD I've been getting better. Usually find time to at least get a shadowflare and/or DoTs up.

With AST/WHM I feel more confident to DPS, because I've been leveling them normally and have had the chance to learn it, but I have not taken them into any higher content yet since they are still a work-in-progress.

[HoodRat]

I am just guessing by your reply, you didn't bother reading OP's post.

I don't really see where I'm shaming people but okay.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

I don't really see where I'm shaming people but okay.

Said he's not interested in people replying to everyone and starting discussions/arguments, because there are enough threads out there already that cater to this. It's a place to post about why you personally do not DPS as a healer. If you always DPS, there's no reason to be posting here. :P

[Neela]

2a - Tanks pulls the floor and switches stances.

yeah this is a thing which seems to become trendy as well... so less chance for getting the extra dps in big pulls on both sides – tank and healer at the same time. maybe possible if all your buffs and cds are up for the first or even second mob grp but really tricky to get both in dmg stance through the whole dng...

[HoodRat]

Said he's not interested in people replying to everyone and starting discussions/arguments, because there are enough threads out there already that cater to this. It's a place to post about why you personally do not DPS as a healer. If you always DPS, there's no reason to be posting here. :P

Hmmm, wasn't really trying to start a discussion or argument, just supplying information. I guess I'll stop though.