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    Provide a warning about garden crops dying during extended server downtime

    Pretty simple piece of feedback. When a notification is provided to players about server downtime, include a statement about how downtime will affect gardeners. My understanding is that crop death due to downtime has been bothering players for a long time, so if there is no technical solution forthcoming (such as garden stasis), SE can at least finally acknowledge how downtime impacts crops and provide suggestions for how to avoid losing items during such downtime.

    EDIT: The notification for gardeners would ideally include the following information:

    *That garden crops can and will die during server downtime (This is not common knowledge, especially for new gardeners)
    *That gardeners should be sure to tend their crops by a specific time so that they will survive the downtime, OR that gardens should remain unplanted for X amount of time before scheduled maintenance
    *That items lost due to crops dying during server downtime are not recoverable by GMs
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    Here is the thing, SE has said plants will survive long maintenance (24 hours) and they will. They stated in the notes for this maintenance no unusual actions would need to be taken by the players.

    But they still let plants go over 24 hours causing short life plants (like expensive onions) to die when normally they would survive...It's not cool SE
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzhiDahaki View Post
    provide suggestions for how to avoid losing items during such downtime.
    Well the simplest solution is just don't plant things when we're told about a maintenance and you know you won't be able to tend them.

    Sorry that probably sounds a bit harsh, but normal garden operations require frequent tending. If you know you're not going to be able to do that for whatever reason, don't plant something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worldofneil View Post
    Well the simplest solution is just don't plant things when we're told about a maintenance and you know you won't be able to tend them.

    Sorry that probably sounds a bit harsh, but normal garden operations require frequent tending. If you know you're not going to be able to do that for whatever reason, don't plant something.
    No, I think based on the number of players impacted by this issue the simplest solution would be to provide a warning. Not everyone sees a maintenance notification and thinks about how it will affect their garden, but a simple text reminder would alleviate this.

    EDIT: Also, your solution is not really a solution-- the problem will continue to affect players unless you personally intend to inform every gardener what to do

    EDIT: But, yes, if SE wants to include in their server downtime announcement something along the lines of, "don't plant any new crops for a week, and make sure you harvest everything by this day, or make sure you have watered it by this time for it to survive the projected downtime!" , that would be along the lines of what I'm suggesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzhiDahaki View Post
    No, I think based on the number of players impacted by this issue the simplest solution would be to provide a warning. Not everyone sees a maintenance notification and thinks about how it will affect their garden, but a simple text reminder would alleviate this.
    Cause apparently people need everything spelled out for them.
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    Suspend Garden Progress During Lenghty Maintenance Periods

    I have 17 gardens, most of of which I use for crossbreeding. I take care of 64 plants and pay friends to take care of the rest. Today I came on to find 8 Glazenut plants, 4 Blood Pepper plants, and 8 Krakka's dead. All the rest were ready for harvesting.

    So, I not only lost those plants, but the expensive Than 3 soil they were planted it, and any possible crosses I may have gotten.

    My friends have not checked in with me on how much damage was done in their gardens, but one of them grows my end-result crossbreeds of Blood Peppers and Thavnairian Onions. Those will be expensive losses.

    I think it's bullshit that SE doesn't just freeze garden progress during lengthy maintenance when we have no control over tending our gardens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonRose View Post
    I have 17 gardens, most of of which I use for crossbreeding. I take care of 64 plants and pay friends to take care of the rest. Today I came on to find 8 Glazenut plants, 4 Blood Pepper plants, and 8 Krakka's dead. All the rest were ready for harvesting.

    So, I not only lost those plants, but the expensive Than 3 soil they were planted it, and any possible crosses I may have gotten.

    ...

    I think it's bullshit that SE doesn't just freeze garden progress during lengthy maintenance when we have no control over tending our gardens.
    I agree, and wow, I thought I had it bad losing my one plot of 4 thav onions & 4 glazenuts. Obviously even highly experienced and responsible gardeners like you are negatively impacted by how downtime affects this gameplay mechanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonRose View Post
    I have 17 gardens
    You lost me at ridiculous. You'd think with that many assets, you would at least keep track of when maintenance will occur. Like checking the weather in real life; maintenance warning was your frost advisory. Also, if you're staying on top of that many gardens consistently, your loss would be the equivalent of dropping a quarter down a sewer grate.

    Edit: The first notice for this data center move was 4/25/2017 at 7:45 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TarynH View Post
    You lost me at ridiculous. You'd think with that many assets, you would at least keep track of when maintenance will occur. Like checking the weather in real life; maintenance warning was your frost advisory. Also, if you're staying on top of that many gardens consistently, your loss would be the equivalent of dropping a quarter down a sewer grate.

    Edit: The first notice for this data center move was 4/25/2017 at 7:45 AM.
    Besides the ridiculous part, you are correct. I do keep track of everything, including maintenance, but I wasn't about to shut everything down 10 days early (Thav. Onions). So I took a chance, and lost. My gil loss was somewhere around 3 - 4 million in lost product and supplies. And again you're correct, that is like dropping a quarter down a sewer grate for me, but it doesn't lessen the fact that this should not be happening and SE should do something about it in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worldofneil View Post
    Well the simplest solution is just don't plant things when we're told about a maintenance and you know you won't be able to tend them.

    Sorry that probably sounds a bit harsh, but normal garden operations require frequent tending. If you know you're not going to be able to do that for whatever reason, don't plant something.
    Wouldn't it just be more prudent to SUSPEND PLANT GROWTH rather than expect every player and every GC to dig up what in many cases are weeks worth of nurturing? You can't always predict exactly WHEN the plant will bloom, and growing things like jute are a long term project. Sorry, but your answer is totally unacceptable! I lost 28 plants (all 3 garden plots, planters in my apartment and my house) because the game gave bad advice about plant survivability! With me it was an inconvenience... but if I'd been growing jute or something similar, I'd be... best keep my thoughts to myself.
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    Last edited by Maxsdad; 05-18-2017 at 06:59 AM.

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