Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

[Buddhsie]

BG is a hardcore FFXI site, not traditionally a FFXIV site.

In fact you'll find a lot of FFXI players who could be more supportive of FFXIV for a long time to come if only it were operating at a competitive level. These are people you want to convince to stick around, not throw up their hands and potentially walk away for good.

As modders whose mods are widely used and respected within the FFXI community, BG understands the underlying mechanics of an MMO better than most. And it's their opinion that FFXIV isn't good enough to pay full price yet. That holds significant weight and should be ringing alarm bells.

So while 300+ of the most sold-out of FFXIV players posting on the official forums might say yes to full price versus the few who give a crap enough to log into the site just to say no to something like that might make you feel good... I don't think it's indicative of the community at large.



It's not inconsistent to accept that $12.99/month is a fair price to pay for a fully operational FFXIV. That's the price anyone who bought the box a year ago was willing to pay when the game originally launched. So of course we'll accept that price when 2.0 launches.



Of course it's up to every individual to decide. But when several individuals have the same opinion, you start to have a consensus. Polls in the FFXI community seem to indicate that a price drop would be necessary for them to continue giving FFXIV a chance. That would convince many more to stay, enough perhaps to raise more revenue, than just by blindly charging full price for a game that doesn't seem capable of being worth that until 2.0 comes out.

The mistake would be to wait until you start charging too much to realize maybe it should be lower. Once people leave FFXIV, it will be a lot harder to get them back.

Hmmm where have I seen this before...? Oh, your last 20 posts. Bring some new information to the table, I'm tired of checking this thread seeing the same 2 highly biased points made over and over. It really just seems like you're trying to get people to leave with you when they start charging so you don't feel alone.

Need a hug?

[AmyRae]

Hmmm where have I seen this before...? Oh, your last 20 posts. Bring some new information to the table, I'm tired of checking this thread seeing the same 2 highly biased points made over and over. It really just seems like you're trying to get people to leave with you when they start charging so you don't feel alone.

Need a hug?

You didn't start that with "in my opinion."

[Buddhsie]

I'll take that as a yes! And possibly more

[AamesxDavid]

So while 300+ of the most sold-out of FFXIV players posting on the official forums might say yes to full price versus the few who give a crap enough to log into the site just to say no to something like that might make you feel good... I don't think it's indicative of the community at large.

But you think the BG poll is indicative of the community at large even though you have no idea how many people participated in it, they didn't say they were going to definitely quit, and you think their opinions are going to magically change when 2.0 comes out no matter what anyway.

It's not inconsistent to accept that $12.99/month is a fair price to pay for a fully operational FFXIV.

First of all, you don't care about "fully operational", you care how much money it will make SE to change their price - it's the only reason you've given for the discounted price for the next year. Abandoning that because the game has a new number on the version is inconsistent.

Secondly, what does "fully operational" mean? The game works now, just not as many people enjoy it. And once again, there is no guarantee that they will when 2.0 comes out. You can quote all the hopes and dreams of the dev team that you like, but even after 2.0, some people are not going to enjoy the game. Can they then call it not "fully operational" and demand a discount?

Of course it's up to every individual to decide. But when several individuals have the same opinion, you start to have a consensus. Polls in the FFXI community seem to indicate that a price drop would be necessary for them to continue giving FFXIV a chance.

Actually, one poll indicated that people might quit. Unless you have more sources you've been hiding that actually prove your point better. And since, according to the previous quote, you're interested mainly in how "operational" the game is, it seems totally fair to charge full price now.

[Zanfire]

this post has become a war for pretty much 2 people and the arguments are pretty simple:

Amy is arguing for lower price until 2.0 to have more people play

david is arguing for us to pay full price and have less people

thats about what im getting from this and its gotten stupid and nit picky....but hey if it floats their boats. Still confused as to why people want to pay full price and have less people....seems... illogical?

[stoned]

this post has become a war for pretty much 2 people and the arguments are pretty simple:

Amy is arguing for lower price until 2.0 to have more people play

david is arguing for us to pay full price and have less people

thats about what im getting from this and its gotten stupid and nit picky....but hey if it floats their boats. Still confused as to why people want to pay full price and have less people....seems... illogical?

this post became a war when people started judging others walet size for speeking their mind. its only natural that someone would get irate and want to argue with trolls who insult their char and financial situation wit retarded remarks like..

15 buck should not hurt you.. crap like that makes you want to respod again but in a higher voice on why you dont want to stay... then you get thiss well if you dont like it then leave....

SE i hope you see this thats why alot will leave cuzz you let these trolls speak for you.

[stoned]

Actually, one poll indicated that people might quit. Unless you have more sources you've been hiding that actually prove your point better. And since, according to the previous quote, you're interested mainly in how "operational" the game is, it seems totally fair to charge full price now.

yea all the polls outside the small croud on these forums says...no they wont pay...the comunitee as a whole spoke up and sayed this game was not only not worth buy but not worth a sub and wont ever be in these polls on these forums... those # are 100 times larger that the small group playing this broken beta atm. you dont belive me? want me to link all the reviews and qq on the net about this game? i can do it use it as proof since the only proof being used by one side is the polls in this small broken comunitee. and yes i say broken because SE had devided it into thos who think the game is complete and those who dont. so lets keep argueing this till SE tells us witch side they char about more. when they do lets see what the reaction will be.. one side will not be effected either way. but one side will be outraged.

[Physic]

this post has become a war for pretty much 2 people and the arguments are pretty simple:

Amy is arguing for lower price until 2.0 to have more people play

david is arguing for us to pay full price and have less people

thats about what im getting from this and its gotten stupid and nit picky....but hey if it floats their boats. Still confused as to why people want to pay full price and have less people....seems... illogical?

essentially it boils down to, more people for less profit is not good for the game long term, if the game consistently doesnt make the projected revenue, you will see less development dollars for the game. In this case, if they dont see a certain amount of interest, then the current ffxiv becomes a charity case,

what does this mean?

Well lets assume they they have commited to 2.0 no matter what, but the current FFXIV is draining resources, for little to no real gain, what do you do?

Imo the most likely scenario, is keep the game going (only because they assure they will) and do as little as possible for the current version, because everything you put in the current version costs more money to develop twice, and because it makes the 2.0 version less of a drastic improvement.

Essentially as a buisness model it makes 2.0 like an expansion or a new game rather than an upgrade, in which case you a better served as a business in saving as much content as possible for 2.0

See what i DONT want, is the current game to see no development changes until a year from now, im enjoying it now, and the thing most likely to kill my enjoyment is if they dont put out quality patches and good content, Them making less money increases this chance.

Basically im willing to pay for this game now, granted that they continue putting in as much content as they can, as if it was a normal released game, rather then getting the bare minimum until a year and some months from now, when i may not even be alive, or could be playing or doing other things.

I will love more people if its more content and development, I would prefer a lower cost, but only if those things actually give the game the same or better development. Paying less and getting less just means im more likely to unsubscribe while they catch up to where i want to be in patches

[RahJah]

Final Fantasy XIV has shipped 190,000 copies in Japan, 210,000 copies in North America and 230,000 copies in Europe as of November 4, 2010 (wikipedia).

At 50 american a pop they raked in ALOT of money for a failed game. approx. $31 MILLION dollars and now they want me to pay a subscription for a year that costs about $156 dollars just to turn around a give them ANOTHER 50 bucks for version 2.0? NO, THANKS.

If they give me my money back for the first failure, I will purchase version 2.0 and Im sure as hell not paying for a subscription for the next year for a game that is so flaud.

[weeble]

don't think they charging players for the 2.0 ..unless you don't have a copy and key now. pretty sure i read that it will just be patch or download or something for us. they will have new copies made though for the new buyers. right? or did i misread something. but either way don't blame you for bailing. and i'd be pissed if they expected us to pay for that copy, no way that would happen.