Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Don't give him any benefit of the doubt. That Monk was an idiot plain and simple. This is duty roulette not Savage. I get wanting to push out-numbers, but good players adjust when they queue into content with randoms and get someone with less gear/experience. Honestly, kick someone like that next time and let them suffer their DPS queue a second time.

[Astrus]

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Now, it is not that i cannot see his points and that i should have tanked better or gear up a bit before joining, and i understand that when you are burnt from doing the same dungeon that gives you no upgrades whatsoever, it may be a bit frustrating to get stuck with a slow/new tank that will not pull half a dungeon and survive to live the tale.

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To be frank, from your story it seems like that Monk simply was an idiot.
You did nothing wrong there, except maybe not kicking the Monk after they demonstrated to be a problem on purpose and tried to get you kicked.
If you pass the minimum ilevel requirement with gear for your job and try to do your best it's cool.
Not pulling aggro, or dealing with the aggro, is part of our job description as DPS. As is dodging out of stupid.

Sure, things likely go a lot faster when they're running with their guild, the tank can pull the whole instance and they can just ignore aoes to eke out that additional % of damage because the healer just heals through it while DPSing. But that's running with their guild, the DF is not their guild and when they sign up they have to accept that they're going to be matched with random people who will have random levels of gear and experience with the content. If they're unable to adjust to that they should stop running with random people and just wait for their guild to form a group for the roulettes.

This is a bit like the tanks who will insist on repeatedly trying to pull the whole instance despite the healer and/or DPS not being able to deal with a pull that large and then throw a fit instead of just slowing things down to a manageable level.

[SpiritMuse]

Had an ARF run last night that was just... weird.

Healer friend and I (BLM) queue in, a few minutes into the dungeon the other dps asks if anyone has a cat and what they are feeding it. So far so harmless, if a bit odd to ask for cat food advice in a random dungeon.

Then he asks if my friend's cat (as he replied fed his cat dry cat food) had teeth. Uh, what? Then he goes "teeth die when you give cooked food you noob" and "but at least it's better than nothing so gj". Which just came out of nowhere as no one had even mentioned cooked food, besides being unnecessarily rude.

I proceed to call him out on being rude. After some back and forth he tells me to stfu and kill. I question the hypocrisy of starting a conversation and then telling the other party to shut up when they talk back, which only seemed to annoy him more. All this time, I'm fairly easily out-dps'ing him.

Second boss I walk a few steps too far and accidentally facepull the boss. I apologise, only to be met with "chill". What, am I now not allowed to apologise to the tank for accidentally pulling? XD Of course you are, says the tank, and apology accepted. They seemed pretty cool with it.

At the end of the run the dps leaves us with "take good care of your cat".

My friend and I were never able to figure out just what this guy's deal was.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm sorry you misunderstood. A raid of 60s without a "new player bonus" alert at the beginning means nobody needs your all-caps orders.

Except in CT, you'd be surprised at how many times people wipe on bosses like the Bone Dragon, Phlegeathon (or however his name is spelled), Angry Mango, Cerberus, and Cloud of Darkness because people don't care to follow the mechanics because they're all "a Raid of 60s without a new player bonus." I'm consistently in groups where those with bonuses do a better job at following mechanics compared to those without.

All caps is unnecessary, but I still find myself having to remind people "4 people to a pad on Atomos, guys" or "Everyone run to your pads now" before Phelg's Ancient Flare. Or "Please get the meteors" on Cloud of Darkness (the most commonly typed phrase).

[Mysterysword]

Once upon a time, I was a little MCH in Haukke Manor, with a GLA tank, some healer who was clearly the GLA's friend, and a random ARC. So, no melee DPS for LB.

As we go along, this GLA is clearly having issues with keeping aggro from me, but I don't really care since we're progressing at a steady pace, nobody's dying except the mobs and nobody says anything anyway. We kill the first boss, get down to the cellar, going through the motions, LB bar fills up.

Yay!

So when the GLA pulled a group of 4 mobs, I blasted them with Big Shot. It was fun!

Except clearly not, since the GLA demands to know why I used LB. I can't remember what answer I gave, since the stupidity of this question baffles my memory even now. Anyway, they started throwing a hissy fit about me, claiming that I "fuck up DPS" as a role or whatever, because apparently I should be psychic and bend to a tank or healer's whims just because.

Long story short, I got kicked just before Lady Amandine, for doing my job, by people who couldn't be bothered to do their jobs. Incidents like these are why I have no sympathy for struggling newbies nowadays. That, and I've played all 3 tanks to 60, so personally, I'm of the opinion that if a tank can't keep aggro from a DPS, it's usually because said tank isn't using their aggro skills to the max. If I, as a tank with an ilvl 200/210 weapon, back in 3.2-3.3, could keep aggro from DPS with ilvl 240 weapons and beyond, in Expert Roulette dungeons, I don't think other tanks get to blame DPS for ripping aggro from them.

[Dreggit]

With NA down we get to mostly hear about EU and JPN servers for a couple days

[Faliandra]

With NA down we get to mostly hear about EU and JPN servers for a couple days

You may have missed that EU/JP is also currently on maintenance for approximately 24 hours ?

NA was merely down for an additional day. thats all

I'm a kick-happy SOB, but my wife absolutely HATES kicking people. It makes her feel just awful, no matter how bad they are. If I didn't run content with her, she would probably never kick anyone and just get crapped on all day.

Some people just have a thing about it. I don't understand it, but I can verify that it's a thing.

Honestly, all I can advise is having a parser running while mindlessly beating a dummy with a 1-button combo and see how much you manage to do.
Then see what kinda numbers some abysmal dps players put out. I think theres no better cure for this "mindset" for feeling awful about kicking people.
You just come to realize that it CANNOT, absolutely CANNOT be a matter of "being bad". Anyone whos GENUINELY trying despite not being really good,
will quite easily do double the damage than these guys managed to do. And for being lazy, theres simply no reason to feel bad.

Instead,we should make some people realize that encouraging laziness is the actual bad thing. :/

[Silverquick]

Honestly, all I can advise is having a parser running while mindlessly beating a dummy with a 1-button combo and see how much you manage to do.
Then see what kinda numbers some abysmal dps players put out. I think theres no better cure for this "mindset" for feeling awful about kicking people.
You just come to realize that it CANNOT, absolutely CANNOT be a matter of "being bad". Anyone whos GENUINELY trying despite not being really good,
will quite easily do double the damage than these guys managed to do. And for being lazy, theres simply no reason to feel bad.

Instead,we should make some people realize that encouraging laziness is the actual bad thing. :/

You know I can't even disagree with this...

I too wonder sometimes why some of the people I DPS with even play a DPS. Its like dude... if you don't like putting up big numbers, what's the point in playing a DPS job. Go play a healer or something.

Then I get the really good ones (DPS guys), they're competitive and trying to out DPS me (They usually lose) but I'm on the other end going... whoa nice hit man, you nailed that combo. Whoa nice nuke... good job, you lost, but... hell of an effort. And it makes me work harder too. And on top of that, at the end of the day its our combined DPS that decides how smooth the clear was.

Yeah of course I'm on the other end going... yeaaahhh I want to do ALL the DPS, but then I wouldn't be a good DPS if I didn't think that way.

And then you get the ones who don't even bother... and you're just going... man, why are you even playing a DPS, its pointless for someone like you. At least try. If you don't like to DPS then go play something else that you do enjoy or are good at, stop playing something just because it looked kewl.

[bounddreamer]

I'm sorry you misunderstood. A raid of 60s without a "new player bonus" alert at the beginning means nobody needs your all-caps orders.

As a player with all 60s who has run that "dead" content and seen groups wipe multiple times at the bone dragon, behemoth, and Phlegethon, you can have my cynical laughter, sir.

[Dreggit]

You may have missed that EU/JP is also currently on maintenance for approximately 24 hours ?

NA was merely down for an additional day. thats all

Oh... well... guess I'm stupid