Suggestion as to how to get people to become healers.

[ErryK]

You know they can, um, rebalance around that, right? Or just give every healing job a passive that increases damage dealt by 10%

What's the point of removing Cleric then? Same thing with this "Crusader Stance" thing. All it does it remove the DPS skills, and what would we get out of that? Just prune the older damage skills, and keep Cleric.

It's the safest thing, especially with SCH still being stuck to ACN, which would in turn affect SMN.

[Mysticales]

I am a WHM. I have mastered the stance dance. I find it adds a cool level of skill.

Granted that being said... wish I could kill someone as a WHM in PVP... >.> Its like you get NO award in Frontline for keeping someone alive... but you sure as hell get an award for your 1st kill on a diff job. >.>

I love being a Chaotic Neutral Tank Killing WHM on Hyperion! =D

[Atlaworks]

I am a WHM. I have mastered the stance dance. I find it adds a cool level of skill.

Granted that being said... wish I could kill someone as a WHM in PVP... >.> Its like you get NO award in Frontline for keeping someone alive... but you sure as hell get an award for your 1st kill on a diff job. >.>

I love being a Chaotic Neutral Tank Killing WHM on Hyperion! =D

The tradeoff for not really being able to kill in PvP is that you're damn near impossible to kill yourself.

[OpheliaHeartilly]

So it's "Fairness" to make a healer as capable at damage output as a bad DPS, with the ability to take care of(other, now)DPS in group content? Get out.

Fixed that for you.

[Atlaworks]

Fixed that for you.

Considering you're the one asking for more damaging spells for healers in your last post that I made that quote on, and edited it from "really bad" to "bad", I feel like you have no room to talk. You're not a DPS, stop asking for more of it.

[OpheliaHeartilly]

What are you even talking about? I have posted twice in this thread. I never asked for more damaging spells. I took the "really" out of my response because it was hyperbole and bad grammar. As for me not being a DPS-- I play every job in this game. I have raided on almost every job in this game. Stop making assumptions and seeing things that aren't there. Healers are not and never have been "as capable" of damage output as a DPS. YOU are spreading false information. Healers do a fraction of the damage that a dps does. Healers don't have combo bonuses from doing a dps rotation. Seriously-- are you just trolling this thread?

[whiteblade89]

Cleric Stance isnt that big of a deal for me honestly. Would I mind if it went away? Not at all. But I only heal in dungeons which are easy to stance dance through. Everyone here is talking about CS whereas I'm here just hoping that swiftcast becomes a healer role skill so I don't have to level a THM. Let the judgements flow. I'm ready...

[Ama_Hamada]

What are you even talking about? I have posted twice in this thread. I never asked for more damaging spells. I took the "really" out of my response because it was hyperbole and bad grammar. As for me not being a DPS-- I play every job in this game. I have raided on almost every job in this game. Stop making assumptions and seeing things that aren't there. Healers are not and never have been "as capable" of damage output as a DPS. YOU are spreading false information. Healers do a fraction of the damage that a dps does. Healers don't have combo bonuses from doing a dps rotation. Seriously-- are you just trolling this thread?

The only time healer dps can compare to DPS is aoe situations at specific levels. Even then it still may just be bad dps who do not know how to aoe, like 80% of the mnks I run into. But ya the person on yer back needs to back off a bit and comment on what is being truly said.

Cleric Stance isnt that big of a deal for me honestly. Would I mind if it went away? Not at all. But I only heal in dungeons which are easy to stance dance through. Everyone here is talking about CS whereas I'm here just hoping that swiftcast becomes a healer role skill so I don't have to level a BLM. Let the judgements flow. I'm ready...

THM* not blm, blm is not needed, see my job levels as an alt.

[Atlaworks]

Snip

Healers currently do a fraction of the damage a DPS does. A decent fraction, definitely not marginalized, but not as much as them for sure. And I personally think that healers as a whole are in a perfectly fine position in the meta(Though WHM could use a smidge more utility for raid comps). I am opposed to people thinking that healer roles need more DPS though, because DPS isn't their job and so many are just outright obsessed with it. This whole topic is "hey, let's just take out Cleric Stance so we can always DPS and heal too" which is a way to say "Give me more DPS". And while healer numbers are good now, I all too well remember the late 2.x patch cycle days of WHM spamming holy and only occasionally slapping a bene on tanks in most content, and them all saying "I want a Holyga for 3.0 please, stone III isn't enough". Then you don't get healers- you get DPSes who can also heal. And yes, there have been times in FF14 where healers did damage on par with DPS, especially in AoE. I'd prefer we don't end up with hilariously overpowered white mages again, thanks. DPSing as a healer is cool to me, not integral but cool. It should be a side thing, not something people insist on having more of every patch cycle and complain that "Healers will drop healing if they can't DPS". I'm not saying they shouldn't have any- I'm saying they're doing fine and don't need to keep asking for more of it.

But then again, you just think I'm trolling the thread, and am spreading false information.

Stop making assumptions and seeing things that aren't there.

[Ardour]

I've desperately tried to get used to CS in this game but no matter how proficient I became with it, it's such a pain in the ass (especially with my latency) that it's driven me away from healer even though I loved healing in other games. 75% of my attention in a dungeon being consumed by a single stance toggle is not a fun sort of 'complexity' for me.

so I think removing or somehow reworking CS would certainly encourage more people to heal. I am willing to guess there are more people who are interested in healer but hate CS than people who ONLY play healer because of CS

now of course removing CS would require them to rescale healer damage somehow, as well as adding other elements of complexity to the role, e.g. a more intricate damage rotation, more buffs to cast during downtime, or less healing downtime altogether. I don't know why people act like you can only make 1 change to the game at once.

are these changes likely? no, but this is just a thread for suggestions