DEVS: Craftmanship vs. Magic craftmanship, please help us identify!

[Jinko]

I would sooner see them consolidate control, craftmanship and mag craftmanship into one stat.

There is no need for crafting to have 3 stats, same goes for gathering.

So we would just have craftmanship, gathering and then the stats which effect your class such as (VIT,MND,PIE,INT,STR,DEX)

It's a typical example of SE making things more complex than they should be, I'm sure I will meet some resistance from suggesting this, seeing as the community hates change.

[MANTASTIC]

I would sooner see them consolidate control, craftmanship and mag craftmanship into one stat.

There is no need for crafting to have 3 stats, same goes for gathering.

So we would just have craftmanship, gathering and then the stats which effect your class such as (VIT,MND,PIE,INT,STR,DEX)

It's a typical example of SE making things more complex than they should be, I'm sure I will meet some resistance from suggesting this, seeing as the community hates change.

I wouldn't mind if they consolidated craftsmanship and mg. craftsmanship into a single stat, but moving to a single stat unique to crafting seems to be a little overkill. It would also be nice if the game just told you which recipe uses which stat, but as is the case for much of the game, a new player is just given the means and told to figure it out for themselves. What actually happens is wasted time browsing the internet trying to find basic information that should be given to players in the first place.

[Jinko]

I wouldn't mind if they consolidated craftsmanship and mg. craftsmanship into a single stat, but moving to a single stat unique to crafting seems to be a little overkill. It would also be nice if the game just told you which recipe uses which stat, but as is the case for much of the game, a new player is just given the means and told to figure it out for themselves. What actually happens is wasted time browsing the internet trying to find basic information that should be given to players in the first place.

I don't think it would matter if the recipe told us, the majority would not have 2 sets (3 if you have a control set) just to make certain items.

as I said previously main stats have an effect on quality supposedly, there is just too many variables IMO.

Right now I have gear for 4 fighting classes, 3 gathering classes and 1 crafting class, thankfully Mining and Botany share the same gear set, but if I had to throw in another set for crafting I would probably be over 100 inventory slots for just armour and weapons.

[Dreamer]

I would sooner see them consolidate control, craftmanship and mag craftmanship into one stat.

There is no need for crafting to have 3 stats, same goes for gathering.

So we would just have craftmanship, gathering and then the stats which effect your class such as (VIT,MND,PIE,INT,STR,DEX)

It's a typical example of SE making things more complex than they should be, I'm sure I will meet some resistance from suggesting this, seeing as the community hates change.

I hate unnecessary dumbing down of systems. By that same mindset, there'd be no need for things such as acc, crit, etc. To me, having a more diverse range of stats gives me slightly more character customization, which I always welcome.

[Jinko]

I hate unnecessary dumbing down of systems. By that same mindset, there'd be no need for things such as acc, crit, etc. To me, having a more diverse range of stats gives me slightly more character customization, which I always welcome.

Well thats just silly, there is always a need for accuracy and criticals, its part of pretty much all MMO's and most RPG's.

Crafting/gathering classes should have never been a main class and shoudln't be treated as such, but of course thats just my opinion, dumbing them down would be the best thing the dev team could do, and from what I gather of Yoshi-p's interviews he intends to do just that.

[Physic]

Well thats just silly, there is always a need for accuracy and criticals, its part of pretty much all MMO's and most RPG's.

Crafting/gathering classes should have never been a main class and shoudln't be treated as such, but of course thats just my opinion, dumbing them down would be the best thing the dev team could do, and from what I gather of Yoshi-p's interviews he intends to do just that.

problem is your entire premise is based around the idea, that you want crafting to be an afterthought.

It is not

Control is a very important and different stat than craftsmanship, it really should not be merged with it.

Now magic and regular craftsmanship.... ehhh i dont love its implementation that much. I would prefer it to be a different effect, rather than a one or the other thing.

but crafting is something you have to do a lot of, as such it should be a little more involved than not. If they were to simplify the stats, they would have to add some complexity and depth to some other aspect.

Essentially i would prefer a different mechanic for magic and regular craftsmanship, however i think there needs to be at least 3 elements that have an effect on crafting that you can control statwise.

[Jinko]

problem is your entire premise is based around the idea, that you want crafting to be an afterthought.

It is not

Control is a very important and different stat than craftsmanship, it really should not be merged with it.

Now magic and regular craftsmanship.... ehhh i dont love its implementation that much. I would prefer it to be a different effect, rather than a one or the other thing.

but crafting is something you have to do a lot of, as such it should be a little more involved than not. If they were to simplify the stats, they would have to add some complexity and depth to some other aspect.

Essentially i would prefer a different mechanic for magic and regular craftsmanship, however i think there needs to be at least 3 elements that have an effect on crafting that you can control statwise.

You do realise they plan to completely redo the crafting system.

One will be extremely "dumbed down" with almost no chance of botches and the other will be primarily for HQing items.

And one of the things we're planning is two different crafting systems. One that's very simplified and that you're going just for the item you need without having to worry about High Quality, with a small chance of High Quality. Then there's the other system, where it will take more time and effort, but the chance of getting that High Quality item will become higher. So the people who want to spend more time and do it carefully will have the higher chance of a High Quality, and then the people who want to get it done, they have the consolidated system.

It makes you wonder that if Control is a stat designed for the sucess of crafting then whats the point in keeping it with the upcomming changes ?

[Dreamer]

You do realise they plan to completely redo the crafting system.

[Citation needed]