I'm calling it the Epidemic. (This is a rant, if you dont wanna hear it, don't click)

[akaneakki]

Also, I completely agree that anyone playing with 7 good players will complete content no matter what they do as long as they don't exhaust the patience of the other 7 players...lol. I was just thinking that if the game placed some level of entry requirement on these fights, it would be easier to ensure that anyone entering the actual content might at least have the potential ability to beat it..

I'm so sorry for not replying to you, didn't mean to ignore you. However I agree, it would be cool if a dummy could. But like I said a9s doesn't even do any mechanic that forces massive moving or a lot of aoe going on. I would love an idea of dummy doing mechanics towards you and you take no damage because you have no healer or tank doing it for you there. Maybe a quest that you HAVE to do, where a npc tells you where hit next on the boss/add. If you don't do it correctly you are stuck there for good basicaly xD. But yes we do however need a more strict thing in the game and ''enforce'' players who want to raid or do extremes do better. I will say it again, nobody wants or expect people to play 100% godlike all the time, we expect you know what you are doing without telling people off when it's completely your own fault (not saying you btw, I'm just saying in general!). A parser would help but it would only do so so much, so adding a dummy, questline you have to do etc, would also help the playerbase. I believe that is also needed not only a parser, because a parser would only show how you or other players. Yes you can compare yourself to them too, but having a parser doesnt always mean people would use it. People can stay bad with or without one. So I would love to have both in game . And I'm a ps4 player so yeah.

Ignore them and go back to speaking with the adults in the room. They're an obvious troll.

Edit: This is a good time to remind everyone that there is an Ignore function on the forums. You'll never see their posts again. Use it.

Yes sir!

[Khemorex]

Ignore them and go back to speaking with the adults in the room. They're an obvious troll.

Edit: This is a good time to remind everyone that there is an Ignore function on the forums. You'll never see their posts again. Use it.

good Idea thank you!

also its funny that u talk about adults , when i see nothing more then rage and rants on this forums lately ^^

And its usually always the same people :P

[Khemorex]

I'll give it 1 more try. Those guy wanted to farm, so don't speak for farmers. They are there to pick up loot not wipe. Dont make others choke on the things you call fun. You either troll or just have a strange way to have fun as in being wiped in game or not.

i really dont mind if people give constructive criticism , but the whole thing is really really out of bound already , theres some nice posts in this thread ^^, but u cant really blame SE for it , theres just to many different mentalities in here

IF theres wasnt other people in this game , you would not play it now , because it would have died off , like any other mmo in the market.

[Khemorex]

Your edit should be a sticky

yes its very adult behaviour to ignore anything u dont like

[kupokage]

Shut it down, mods.

[Paladinleeds]

oioioi , maybe u forgot that people want to try new stuff and have fun? try to rage harder pls ^^

I agree, there's nothing wrong with trying something new. For example if I step into any Savage Alex other than A1s (and possibly A2s, I can't remember if I ever tried it, I know I beat A1s though) I'll be trying something new. But if you wipe on the same mechanic all night long in the exact same way (let's say a night of playing is 3 hours), and it's not brought up (if someone knows the mechanic already), or working together to try and figure out the mechanics (assuming you don't wanna use a guide), then what's the point? Surely if you're trying something new you're wanting to try and also get your head round what you can?

[Khemorex]

I agree, there's nothing wrong with trying something new. For example if I step into any Savage Alex other than A1s (and possibly A2s, I can't remember if I ever tried it, I know I beat A1s though) I'll be trying something new. But if you wipe on the same mechanic all night long in the exact same way (let's say a night of playing is 3 hours), and it's not brought up (if someone knows the mechanic already), or working together to try and figure out the mechanics (assuming you don't wanna use a guide), then what's the point? Surely if you're trying something new you're wanting to try and also get your head round what you can?

Rome wasnt built in one day ^^

I think everyone wants to improve in some way , some are slower some are faster . Some are more confident others not so much.
But my point is that people always tend to rage to quickly and being to harsh with words.

Im probably guilty of being to harsh to quickly to sometimes :P

(tho i wouldnt spend myself 3h in a PF group wich wipes in the exact same way ^^ . i mean its naturall to speak up , but most of the comments are just not really helpfull and plain and simple just a choleric comment, and its what is winding me up lately on the forums ^^,

[SilkaN]

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Maybe I'm just a fool, but if a skill like Heavy Thrust says "increased potency from the flank", then I'll try to attack from the flank, even if it's PotD. You know, to memorize it.
DPS certainly have it easier to learn their jobs in PotD. Jobs like Summoner cannot be mastered in PotD, but even so, reading tooltips helps you understanding basic functions. Like playing DoTs on one enemy, using Bane to spread them, etc.
Heck, some straightfoward jobs like Dragoon are so easy to learn that you can figure out their rotations in PotD. Keep in mind that learning does not mean mastering.

As for tanks, even PotD can put you in situations in which you need to use defensive cooldowns - especially if your potions are on cooldown and you got no healer in your party.
Healers, however... they should at least be able to realize that doing DPS is the better alternative to jumping around when there is no need to heal.

I mean, it's not like I am expecting wonders, you know? Or is figuring these things out already beyond the average MMO player?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

OK, here's a dumb question, the whole "Sky, Sea, Stone" thing was implemented to help players pre-test their ability for these fights to ensure they could do the level of DPS expected of their job, right?

OK then, why not make the completion of the relevant SSS within the time limit a requirement to enter each trial or raid that has a test in SSS? After all, we don't want to be feeding high level adventurers into a meat grinder they cannot survive, do we?

Obviously they need to ensure that the difficulty and time limit actually provide a challenge such that if you complete in time you are playing to 75%(?) or more of your potential damage output. That would force players entering Savage raids and EX trials to actually know how to play at that level - at least in SSS. If they fail during actual combat, at least you know they have the potential.

Like Akaneakki said, A9S is literally a target dummy that procs. Have you done the normal mode perchance? The only different outside of moderate damage spike are two mechanics. One has aoe markers placed on the four DPS, thus necessitating they spread out. The other is having someone (usually ranged) pick up a new add called an Alarum, which they kite over to a safe spot and kill as the puddle it drops you'll be using to avoid Double Scrapline. Beyond those two mechanics, it's an incredibly streamlined fight people shouldn't need more than a few pulls to get the jitters out. Honestly, A9S works better than SSS because there are some mechanics to contend with. If you're seeing enrage with 15% echo, you have no business going into Savage. That isn't an elitist attitude, it's simply a waste of time on the veteran player's part. Could these players learn? Absolutely. But they need to practice in far easier content first.

oioioi , maybe u forgot that people want to try new stuff and have fun? try to rage harder pls ^^

And they are perfectly entitled to "have fun." However, no one else is obligated to put up with it. You're essentially calling out akaneakki friend because he decided his time was more valuable than wiping with people who had no clue how to even play their jobs correctly. I would have bailed too. Why? I'll happily help people through content if there is reasonable exception of a clear. I won't stay in a party where it's hopeless and I'm just throwing away an hour because people want to goof off. They can do that on their own time.

[Kaethra]

I mean, it's not like I am expecting wonders, you know? Or is figuring these things out already beyond the average MMO player?

I keep saying it, but the average MMO player CAN do these things you said. In fact they do so on a.. well sorta normal basis. I say sorta normal because they do the minimums required of them when they are in random groups. Group with these people as a peer, as a FC member and watch how miraculously they are doing everything right. Maybe not optimally but at least they're doing what you'd expect them to.

I've leveled up a few roles and jobs in the past month and I've seen a player who can't be arsed to not stand in damage telegraphs and spams like one ability, then turn around and swift cast rez someone and then start playing better when there's a possibility of a wipe.

My friends and I call it, "waking up."

I've also seen real newbies. Honest to god first time playing newbies. And they do exactly what you said. They put 2 and 2 together from their tooltips and make it work. They're not great. But they're doing good enough to make the run faster, and holding their own weight.

Its the 'veteran' players that slack. They know that the 'other guys' doing the stuff will be enough. So they do the very bare minimums.

Its kinda funny because some in this thread are suggesting SSS as a requirement. But it won't fix the issue. They'll do their best in SSS, pass it, and then slack when they do the content. Why not? Everyone else is givine 110% so it allows them to leech. When you allow a random AI determine your group for you, you get leeches. There's no accountability. That falls to us players to manage.

That's why vote kick is a thing. Don't even have to make a fuss over it. If you see someone leeching. Vote kick them. Don't say anything, just vote it. If the party came to the same conclusion you did, they're gone. If not. Well no one's gonna know who did it. Not even the person slacking. So no harm no foul. And if anyone in the group does know it was you and asks, just tell them you thought they were AFK.