I'm calling it the Epidemic. (This is a rant, if you dont wanna hear it, don't click)

[bardaboo]

"Post" means after?? So after lvl 52 at all ever. Meaning he's seen people after the skill became useful not using it.

[Arrius]

Looks like the OP is part of "the epidemic", you do not start using Wanderer's Minuet at lvl 52 when you get it, you wait until you the abilities associated with it, before that it's a loss.

Correct. At the very least on level 56 you should have it implemented in your playing style and start training your future rotation with it enabled.
Though I give people the benefit of the doubt when certain pre-60 fights make WN unfeasable to perform well due to it's movement restriction, i.e. at Charibert in the Vault. Smart toggling it at that boss is the key to win.

[akaneakki]

My friend was just in a9s, where he got enrage with 15% echo, everyone had relic ilvl 275 and 270 ilvl in general. Nobody died either. I know he didn't come off as a nice guy but seriously a9's is a dummy strike fight and it concerns me people get enrage here.

Look, hes from moogle like me, he came in there to help, but it got enrage and boss spawned faust at 70!!!!!!!% please don't tell me something isn't wrong here. Also look at the guys reply ''elitist''. You don't even need a parser to see how bad that is...I love how some people here(wont say names) say this is fine and we just post stuff like this, because it's funny. It's not funny when peopel wanna do savage and barely knows how to play.
Edit: 2 deaths, mt and 1 dps, still... you shouldn't see enrage on a fight like a9s.

[Kosmos992k]

My friend was just in a9s, where he got enrage with 15% echo, everyone had relic ilvl 275 and 270 ilvl in general. Nobody died either. I know he didn't come off as a nice guy but seriously a9's is a dummy strike fight and it concerns me people get enrage here.

Look, hes from moogle like me, he came in there to help, but it got enrage and boss spawned faust at 70!!!!!!!% please don't tell me something isn't wrong here. Also look at the guys reply ''elitist''. You don't even need a parser to see how bad that is...I love how some people here(wont say names) say this is fine and we just post stuff like this, because it's funny. It's not funny when peopel wanna do savage and barely knows how to play.
Edit: 2 deaths, mt and 1 dps, still... you shouldn't see enrage on a fight like a9s.

OK, here's a dumb question, the whole "Sky, Sea, Stone" thing was implemented to help players pre-test their ability for these fights to ensure they could do the level of DPS expected of their job, right?

OK then, why not make the completion of the relevant SSS within the time limit a requirement to enter each trial or raid that has a test in SSS? After all, we don't want to be feeding high level adventurers into a meat grinder they cannot survive, do we?

Obviously they need to ensure that the difficulty and time limit actually provide a challenge such that if you complete in time you are playing to 75%(?) or more of your potential damage output. That would force players entering Savage raids and EX trials to actually know how to play at that level - at least in SSS. If they fail during actual combat, at least you know they have the potential.

[Khemorex]

a9s fail

yes yes the world is going down omg :P everyone brace urselfs ^^

well what to say some people just dont care and want to have fun in the game ^^ ur taking it way to serious :P

i know people who see that as a time waste , but others do not , as u know theres something called playing with friends :P instead of playing for loot and ur own personal goal :P

[akaneakki]

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Yes and no. a9s is basically doing sky, sea and stone. You barely move if anything the boss only stands in 1 position most of the time. A test to make sure they could do it, would help somewhat, same time it wouldn't.
I'm not sure if that makes sense to you, but it's a whole different thing hitting a thing that barely gives you any mechanic, like a9s does. Those guys never bothered trying their rotation out nor did they seem to want to. After all they doing savage and yet they see enrage? Whos fault is that? Themselves and the issue here is people brush it off and think it's fine. This is a great example in my older post. If you find 6-7 others who plays on the very same level of that 1 person, this will happen. So killing it with 7 other good people doesn't make you good, it just makes you get easier kill because you happened to get to play with 7 others who does 75% or more dmg.

[Faliandra]

yes yes the world is going down omg :P everyone brace urselfs ^^

well what to say some people just dont care and want to have fun in the game ^^ ur taking it way to serious :P

i know people who see that as a time waste , but others do not , as u know theres something called playing with friends :P instead of playing for loot and ur own personal goal :P

Eh, you know. I wasnt there but if thats the case, theres no need to make a crossserver PF asking people to help for the clear.

[Kosmos992k]

Yes and no. a9s is basically doing sky, sea and stone. You barely move if anything the boss only stands in 1 position most of the time. A test to make sure they could do it, would help somewhat, same time it wouldn't.
I'm not sure if that makes sense to you, but it's a whole different thing hitting a thing that barely gives you any mechanic, like a9s does. Those guys never bothered trying their rotation out nor did they seem to want to. After all they doing savage and yet they see enrage? Whos fault is that? Themselves and the issue here is people brush it off and think it's fine. This is a great example in my older post. If you find 6-7 others who plays on the very same level of that 1 person, this will happen. So killing it with 7 other good people doesn't make you good, it just makes you get easier kill because you happened to get to play with 7 others who does 75% or more dmg.

I know what you mean, I think. Executing your rotation perfectly against a dummy is simply a matter or memorizing the sequence and repeating it, while actually running the content you have to contend with AoEs and mechanics that will force you to change position and miss time attacks, or miss positionals. I completely understand what you are saying.

I must admit I would personally prefer it if the dummies were able to attack back with the same kind of attacks/AoEs as the real boss which would force you to move around, and be a more thorough test. I don't think it would be easy to include other mechanics because SSS is a solo test. However, just having the dummy attacking back and using it's AoEs would sharpen the test and increase it's worth IMHO.

Also, I completely agree that anyone playing with 7 good players will complete content no matter what they do as long as they don't exhaust the patience of the other 7 players...lol. I was just thinking that if the game placed some level of entry requirement on these fights, it would be easier to ensure that anyone entering the actual content might at least have the potential ability to beat it.

Though clearly it depends on the test, and the quality of the test.

[Crysten]

yes yes the world is going down omg :P everyone brace urselfs ^^

well what to say some people just dont care and want to have fun in the game ^^ ur taking it way to serious :P

So basically, going into a high level, endgame duty with no hope of winning due to lack of party skill is absolutely fine, "so long as you're having fun ^_____________^"

I dunno about you, but my idea of fun is not being stuck in a duty I can't win. This attitude is exactly why we can't have nice things.

I don't understand, surely the point of a PVE game is to go into a duty with the intention of winning? If you party cannot win a fight and nobody wants to play to the required standard to beat said content, what in the hell are you doing in there? Sightseeing?

Like a man once said about a helicopter made of turds, this shit does not fly.

[akaneakki]

i know people who see that as a time waste , but others do not , as u know theres something called playing with friends :P instead of playing for loot and ur own personal goal :P

Do you have ANY idea what people do on party finder? They ask for help. My friend was helping and he met a griup who couldnt even do it, yes they even had it on farm apperently in different group. But this one they all gathered in 1 group together and failed.
If this was so easy as you claim it is, how come you don't tell people on your own server to ask for help and ask their friend instead? Then you need to understand this is a MMO, where you want to meet new people and not everyone have friends who raid, much as I respect my friends who RP in the game. You make it sound like hes the bad guy or me. In fact this is the last time I will ever reply to you, because you have done nothing than being offensive towards everyone who disagree with you. Take care.