A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[Ama_Hamada]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4121685

Help is on the way, maybe.

Well so far we been let down by those " maybes" so this thread is a friendly reminder it is needed, since we been put off for so long throughout HW

[Belhi]

A Glamour log/Wardrobe system would resolve a lot of the inventory space issues a lot of people have. Yoshi P has also said that it would be possible to implement such a system as a future project once they are done with finalising the stuff for Stormblood.

[Falmer]

The real question.

When am I able to buy four more retainers? I need ten retainers

lol

[Berethos]

better then what we got, lamo (assuming that game does not have the bloat like we do) and paying once > paying double sub. 2 x 6 month for 6 retainers costs more then that.

450 slots a paltry 2k gil in-game is what we get without counting the armory chest.

That $90 worth of bags gets you to 210 slots in a game that is known to load players up with useless clutter.

You don't have to pay a dime to get more than their $90 rip off gets you.

[Shougun]

450 slots a paltry 2k gil in-game is what we get without counting the armory chest.

That $90 worth of bags gets you to 210 slots in a game that is known to load players up with useless clutter.

You don't have to pay a dime to get more than their $90 rip off gets you.

I do have to say that FFXIV front loads your inventory. Like in the long run WoW has significantly more space than FFXIV, but initially its 450 vs 53 slots lol. Given time, perhaps use of an alt addon, and using their wardrobe you'll vastly outshine the difference but FFXIV does start out with a big pile of slots.

If they added alt mailing (16 retainers, weeee) and a glamour book we'd, thinking off the top of my head, definitely be on top in terms of personal character space. The data issues on housing still exist here but not really else where on similar tier MMOs - also a number of similar tier mmo offer more space and capacity, smaller ones have issues sure but they're also formed on like 1/100th the budget lol.

[Ama_Hamada]

I do have to say that FFXIV front loads your inventory. Like in the long run WoW has significantly more space than FFXIV, but initially its 450 vs 53 slots lol. Given time, perhaps use of an alt addon, and using their wardrobe you'll vastly outshine the difference but FFXIV does start out with a big pile of slots.

If they added alt mailing (16 retainers, weeee) and a glamour book we'd, thinking off the top of my head, definitely be on top in terms of personal character space. The data issues on housing still exist here but not really else where on similar tier MMOs - also a number of similar tier mmo offer more space and capacity, smaller ones have issues sure but they're also formed on like 1/100th the budget lol.

The thing is though, starting in wow you might start out with less space then ffxiv.. but the thing is.. YOU NEED LESS SPACE IN WOW TOO! you don't have 16 or whatever (since some things share) bettween crafting and gathering while each of those has its own glam, we can get up to 24 sets if you want each job to have its own glam and why ffxiv makes this hard, no idea, to shift though. For wow, its one gear set, and maybe a miner too and fishing pole. There is no currency bloating early on like our beast tribe currencies.

450 slots a paltry 2k gil in-game is what we get without counting the armory chest.

That $90 worth of bags gets you to 210 slots in a game that is known to load players up with useless clutter.

You don't have to pay a dime to get more than their $90 rip off gets you.

I am not sure what you mean but I still say 90 dollars is no where near a rip off then 72 dollars per 6 months, in 1 year you pay more in that game, and I think people are playing more for a year.

[Berethos]

I am not sure what you mean but I still say 90 dollars is no where near a rip off then 72 dollars per 6 months, in 1 year you pay more in that game, and I think people are playing more for a year.

I'll break it down for you then.

In this game, FFXIV, without paying any additional cost - so no extra retainers - and without counting the armory chest inventory, you can have 450 inventory slots at a cost of 2,000 gil. That's incredibly inexpensive - vendor a few items or do a levequest and you've earned enough to pay the one-time fee to unlock the second retainer.

In Neverwinter Online, you have a 30 slot personal bag and spots for 5 additional bags. The biggest bags are 36 slots...and cost $16 to purchase *each* or are super, super expensive if you try and buy them via in-game means. If you buy the 5 bags necessary to max out the inventory you keep with you, you either have to spend a crazy amount of in-game currency or you have to spend around $80 to do so (re-did the math, the $90 was just a tad off). Why is that the case? Buying the bag from the cash shop costs Zen. Zen comes in chunks of 500, 1000, 2000, etc. You could spend $100 and get more than enough to buy the 5 bags (and you may want to, but I'll get to that in a second), or spend $20 four times...enough to get 4 bags and have the 400 extra add up to enough to get the 5th bag.

So $80 minimum to reach this point, and what kind of inventory space does this give you?

A grand total of 210 inventory slots.

$80 to get 210 inventory slots, versus NO REAL MONEY and extremely inexpensive, pocket change level cheap in-game cost to get 450.

You haven't spent a dime in FFXIV and you already have over double the inventory available.

But it doesn't stop there - if you want Bank space in Neverwinter, you need to purchase even more slots with Zen.

The Bank there can be increased to 176 slots after starting at 16 slots. Each increase is another 16 slots and costs 600 Zen...or in real money terms, $6. Again, since you can't buy Zen in $100 chunks, you'll have to buy $10 worth at a time to get this $6 purchase. The least amount you'll need to spend here is $60 to get those additional 170 Bank slots.

The Bank can also have shared slots purchased...8 per 700 zen, or $7 per 8 slots, which can be done a total of 5 times to give you 48 slots of shared inventory space on your account...for $35.

So you've spent at this point $175 to fully unlock your inventory...and how much does all this get you?

434 total inventory slots.

450 in FFXIV for no real money cost and pocket change in-game...or 434 slots for $175 in Neverwinter.

But by all means, if you believe FFXIV is the one ripping you off, who am I to change your mind?

[Ama_Hamada]

I'll break it down for you then.

In this game, FFXIV, without paying any additional cost - so no extra retainers - and without counting the armory chest inventory, you can have 450 inventory slots at a cost of 2,000 gil. That's incredibly inexpensive - vendor a few items or do a levequest and you've earned enough to pay the one-time fee to unlock the second retainer.
In Neverwinter Online, you have a 30 slot personal bag and spots for 5 additional bags. The biggest bags are 36 slots...and cost $16 to purchase *each* or are super, super expensive if you try and buy them via in-game means. If you buy the 5 bags necessary to max out the inventory you keep with you, you either have to spend a crazy amount of in-game currency or you have to spend around $80 to do so (re-did the math, the $90 was just a tad off). Why is that the case? Buying the bag from the cash shop costs Zen. Zen comes in chunks of 500, 1000, 2000, etc. You could spend $100 and get more than enough to buy the 5 bags (and you may want to, but I'll get to that in a second), or spend $20 four times...enough to get 4 bags and have the 400 extra add up to enough to get the 5th bag.

So $80 minimum to reach this point, and what kind of inventory space does this give you?

A grand total of 210 inventory slots.

$80 to get 210 inventory slots, versus NO REAL MONEY and extremely inexpensive, pocket change level cheap in-game cost to get 450.

You haven't spent a dime in FFXIV and you already have over double the inventory available.

But it doesn't stop there - if you want Bank space in Neverwinter, you need to purchase even more slots with Zen.

The Bank there can be increased to 176 slots after starting at 16 slots. Each increase is another 16 slots and costs 600 Zen...or in real money terms, $6. Again, since you can't buy Zen in $100 chunks, you'll have to buy $10 worth at a time to get this $6 purchase. The least amount you'll need to spend here is $60 to get those additional 170 Bank slots.

The Bank can also have shared slots purchased...8 per 700 zen, or $7 per 8 slots, which can be done a total of 5 times to give you 48 slots of shared inventory space on your account...for $35.

So you've spent at this point $175 to fully unlock your inventory...and how much does all this get you?

434 total inventory slots.

450 in FFXIV for no real money cost and pocket change in-game...or 434 slots for $175 in Neverwinter.

But by all means, if you believe FFXIV is the one ripping you off, who am I to change your mind?

I do not know the game though, like with comparing to wow, on the surface you can easily say ffxiv gives more. However if you look what we need deal with, in gear sets, currency item bloat, and other things, our space is tiny compared to wow's (how much mats does it take to make something, currency bloat, gearsets, etc) and that is not even considering their glam log and other things.

This game feels like it forces you to rent overpriced retainers due to intentional inventory bloat, seasonal stuff (glams, need pull them out or all the countless glams you can't store, if you rare dye something), etc. So I can't comment on those prices because I do not know what it does in the game but 1 time fee> renting while making you need it

[Solarra]

(Comparison to Neverwinter Online)
450 in FFXIV for no real money cost and pocket change in-game...or 434 slots for $175 in Neverwinter.

The big difference between FF and Neverwinter Online is that Neverwinter is Free to Play. Those games are notorious for ripping players off and charging a fortune for utilities.

Since we are paying a subscription, I don't think it's right that we have to pay extra for storage on top. I cannot think of any other subscription game that charges for it, and not only are we charged but it's not even a one-off payment, it's a payment every month.
It would be different if there was a way of unlocking extra retainers in-game, or if the storage we get with our sub. was adequate, but it isn't. We have so many items like beast-tribe tokens or weapon tokens that have to stay in our bags and lots of seasonal gear that will not go in the armoire or cannot if you've used a rare dye on it and don't want to lose the colour.
I spend far too much time in this game sorting my bags, mainly throwing out glamour items that I like but can't find room for and crafting materials which I then have to go and gather later, just so I can make space for the things I need right away.

The changes they have announced are welcome but I don't think they go far enough. As I said in an earlier post, another free retainer would help a lot. I may be wrong about this but didn't they promise us another retainer with HW?

[Ama_Hamada]

The big difference between FF and Neverwinter Online is that Neverwinter is Free to Play. Those games are notorious for ripping players off and charging a fortune for utilities.
Since we are paying a subscription, I don't think it's right that we have to pay extra for storage on top. I cannot think of any other subscription game that charges for it, and not only are we charged but it's not even a one-off payment, it's a payment every month.
It would be different if there was a way of unlocking extra retainers in-game, or if the storage we get with our sub. was adequate, but it isn't. We have so many items like beast-tribe tokens or weapon tokens that have to stay in our bags and lots of seasonal gear that will not go in the armoire or cannot if you've used a rare dye on it and don't want to lose the colour.
I spend far too much time in this game sorting my bags, mainly throwing out glamour items that I like but can't find room for and crafting materials which I then have to go and gather later, just so I can make space for the things I need right away.

The changes they have announced are welcome but I don't think they go far enough. As I said in an earlier post, another free retainer would help a lot. I may be wrong about this but didn't they promise us another retainer with HW?

I do remember hearing something like that, but I am not sure if it was ever confirmed. regardless I think at this point we need 2 more free, we been overpaying too long for space