PSA: Giving promotion privilages to someone in your FC gives them all privilages

[Sil3ntxR3qui3m]

For now, you can just have the FC master be the one who promotes people if it bothers you that badly. If you don't and happen to see someone try to promote themselves or others when they shouldn't have, kick them out.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

I know this is going to sound crazy but just hear me out. What if you just don't give the promotion ability to people you don't trust ? What if we stop assuming that strangers on the internet are all trustworthy people because They joined my cool FC so they must be cool too? I know, I know it's a hard concept to grasp, but just think about it, the FC chest you save could be your own!

[DaikiKiyoshi]

I know this is going to sound crazy but just hear me out. What if you just don't give the promotion ability to people you don't trust ? What if we stop assuming that strangers on the internet are all trustworthy people because They joined my cool FC so they must be cool too? I know, I know it's a hard concept to grasp, but just think about it, the FC chest you save could be your own!

That's not the point. The point is it's a bad system that makes no sense and needs to be changed. In the ideal world your idea could fix the problem but in the real world we need a hierarchical system.

[Zojha]

In the ideal world your idea could fix the problem but in the real world we need a hierarchical system.

Oh no, in the real world simply not trusting anyone ever and never giving away any priviledges fixes the issue, too. If noone but you can do anything, noone but you can screw anything up!

It's just impractical and begs the question why FC ranks are a thing in the first place, since by that mentality, you only need a Glorious Leader and the rest should be untrustworthy Peons without any priviledges.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Oh no, in the real world simply not trusting anyone ever and never giving away any priviledges fixes the issue, too. If noone but you can do anything, noone but you can screw anything up!

It's just impractical and begs the question why FC ranks are a thing in the first place, since by that mentality, you only need a Glorious Leader and the rest should be untrustworthy Peons without any priviledges.

Yeah cause I'm the real world I can promote myself from janitor to head manager and take everything from the store with zero consequences and everyone has to just deal with it. /sarcasm

[Jpec07]

Yep. The FC rank system is broken and has been since 2.0. Unless you really trust someone, don't give them any elevated permissions.

They may fix this in Stormblood, but I'm not holding my breath. The FC system needs a lot of love, but I can forgive it for its current state, because it's still loads better than 1.0 (where, iirc, FCs didn't exist).

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

Yeah cause I'm the real world I can promote myself from janitor to head manager and take everything from the store with zero consequences and everyone has to just deal with it. /sarcasm

If the Head manager gives a Janitor permission to promote himself to the rank of Head manager, then really the Head manager deserves the consequences.

(The point being, if you're in charge, you are ultimately responsible for the people underneath you. If you give someone authority and they abuse it, it's your fault for giving them the authority in the first place.)

[DaikiKiyoshi]

If the Head manager gives a Janitor permission to promote himself to the rank of Head manager, then really the Head manager deserves the consequences.

(The point being, if you're in charge, you are ultimately responsible for the people underneath you. If you give someone authority and they abuse it, it's your fault for giving them the authority in the first place.)

No! No no no no this is not how things work! Well apparently it is because ethical conduct and morality are DEAD. There's nothing in game explaining people can promote people ABOVE their own rank! How can anyone defend this?? Am I just being trolled at his point?

We aren't discussing who's to blame for what here! We are discussing a broken system that needs to be changed. Stop going off topic.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

No! No no no no this is not how things work! Well apparently it is because ethical conduct and morality are DEAD. There's nothing in game explaining people can promote themselves ABOVE their own rank! How can anyone defend this?? Am I just being trolled at his point?

Imo, if you're in a leadership role, it's your responsibility to ensure that bad things don't happen. Sure unexpected things can happen, but it's not like the information doesn't exist anywhere. You could have researched what the permissions actually do before assigning them to people. The real issue here imo, is that literally anyone can become an FC leader, and we all know that not everyone is cut out to be in a leadership role. When irresponsible people make bad decisions, they turn the blame on others and make excuses for why the bad things happened instead of accepting their mistake and admitting they failed to exercise due diligence. So yes, while perhaps the rules should be changed by SE to protect against these kinds of situations from happening, that doesn't excuse the FC leader from failing in their responsibility to protect themselves and their members within the rules that already exist.

[Averax]

Why is this even a thing? You should not be able to give yourself a rank in your FC that the FC did not decide you've earned.