A consern about space efficieny since stormblood is not getting enough space increase

[Ama_Hamada]

Ripped off huh? since dev costs have only gone up, but game and sub prices have not, I feel that this is not the case, but then, thats just me.

Also, they aren't adding item bloat to make you buy retainers, you are hoarding everything that you ever obtain. Stop doing this, and you need a lot less space.

Really? The game makes you hold on things. Remember the high summoner stuff? How long we needed to hold on that item we need trade in? Or when shire weapon took 7 weeks to get (now 4) while needing 3 weeks of script (now 2) Or how alex parts was on weekly and you needed 4 for a body? 2 weeks of red script item toupgrade a tool.... You need 2 weapons to do some upgrade quests, the thing you are upgrading and something else because some require you have it not equipped, the item bloat like this adds up and unnecessary. Also just because you do not care to glam 13/16/24 jobs differently, does not mean you can call people who do, "horders" 99 items for a mount? are you going to kill niddy extreme 99 times in a day because you are unlucky? or same for any other like that? Fates that pop every 1-3 days, or you find it 1-3 days, and you need do this twice for a glam? 5 days holding on moonstones for 2 sands, oh I am sure someone is going to get 74 umbrite in a day (sands by crafting is possible though) There is plenty of currency in the game the game makes you hold onto for a while.

Another reason WoW does not have issues like this is because each job (character) has its own inventory. This should be factored in when giving enough space and I am fairly sure there is no gather gear or crafting gear to worry about past gathering tools.

It is also clear to me a lot of people are concerned about this issue as I am. 43 likes for a thread not even 48 hours old is impressive to me.

That is special IRL job. You should get a cookie, maybe your employer will give you a pat on the head. It is not about the individual cost. I doubt most people blink at spending that money some where else. It is about enabling poor design within the system they have. I see it the same as a dev that does a bad port of a game to an older system.



Dev costs are not the biggest cost of MMO's. So even if the dev costs have gone up the nickle and diming of server structure and bandwidth has saved them. Bloat like all the luminous crystals, beast tokens, materia, anima steps,daily and weekly scrips, and that doesn't even include glamours. Two retainers is stretching it. Either they reevaluate itemization/design or adjust retainer space.

But people like you guys are happy to give companies money for sub par product and defend them. So when microsoft uses sub par producers and get rrod or apple uses sub par mats in iphones and they have to be replaced every other year. That isn't going to change and no amount of explaining will help. They trust that you will keep lining up and absorb the losses from people who don't.

Agree completely (though since you said materia, how would you address that exactly? I do not see a way of changing it nor a big need for it)

[Naunet]

Neither does XIV, if you don't hoard EVERYTHING EVER THAT DROPS.

I don't really stash crafting mats, though I am presently leveling up all crafting jobs. Still, my retainers are stuffed full with glamour gear, and I only ever have one page or less free in my basic inventory - maybe one empty spot in each armoury page (all jobs leveled to 50 or higher). But the number of random currencies in this game that inexplicably don't go into the currency tab really stuff your inventory full, alongside the lack of a log for armor appearances.

I am not against inventory or retainer space upgrades, don't get that twisted, but I doubt that SE needs to give out 6 free retainers plus a upgrade of inventory every 2 years. A bit to much to ask for don'tcha think?

This is a subscription game. SE should not be using tactics that are worse than even the sleaziest f2p MMO when it comes to inventory.

[Shougun]

I would add a lot of other MMOs have highly competitive space offerings when you consider their crafting inventories, glamour logs, alt mailing, toy boxes and all that other space holding stuff. Also the three major western ones I know of with space gaining allow you to do so within the game or at least purchased permanently (they're also the ones that seldom have other memory issues too though, like no housing issues).

Although +10 / + 40 and then again is not something I scoff at lol, especially if they're going to do it again later. That plus a glamour log would probably crunch a lot of people's issues. Allow larger crafting stacks , or storage area, and inventory space would quickly be a thing of the past. For myself, just adding an item log would clear up 100 slots easy lol.

[Solarra]

Thank you for making this thread OP. I was really disappointed we did not get a third free retainer, that change alone would have gone a long way towards easing the problem.

I notice you didn't mention FCs and more worrying, neither did the Live Letter. The FC chest is pitifully small compared to other MMOs. I was hoping we might get new ranks and an extra couple of tabs at least, as a reward.
Some dedicated Workshop storage would be nice, too. With submarines coming in SB, storing everything needed for FC crafting is going to be tough. Special Workshop storage for the materials/tokens we need to buy recipes, Aetherial wheels and the crystals and clusters needed to make them and maybe even storage for unused Airship and Submarine parts would be a big help.

[Reinha]

I feel like they didn't really understand the primary issue. It's not that we have too little space to carry things with us, it's that we have too little space in general. As far as I understand retainer information is only loaded when they are summoned, so a third free retainer would have been better than more bag space which takes up active server memory. Like, why? The worst part is that a lot of that new bag space will be wasted because no one carries around so many belts, earrings, necklaces and bracelets. Doubling the size of the ring and weapon slots would have made more sense.

[Ama_Hamada]

Thank you for making this thread OP. I was really disappointed we did not get a third free retainer, that change alone would have gone a long way towards easing the problem.

I notice you didn't mention FCs and more worrying, neither did the Live Letter. The FC chest is pitifully small compared to other MMOs. I was hoping we might get new ranks and an extra couple of tabs at least, as a reward.
Some dedicated Workshop storage would be nice, too. With submarines coming in SB, storing everything needed for FC crafting is going to be tough. Special Workshop storage for the materials/tokens we need to buy recipes, Aetherial wheels and the crystals and clusters needed to make them and maybe even storage for unused Airship and Submarine parts would be a big help.

Even my personal FC seems stuffed with high end materials, lol thought it would last longer. Ill edit the post and add fc chest.

I put it as 12 and pushed the menu bloat issue on retainers to 13.

I feel like they didn't really understand the primary issue. It's not that we have too little space to carry things with us, it's that we have too little space in general. As far as I understand retainer information is only loaded when they are summoned, so a third free retainer would have been better than more bag space which takes up active server memory. Like, why? The worst part is that a lot of that new bag space will be wasted because no one carries around so many belts, earrings, necklaces and bracelets. Doubling the size of the ring and weapon slots would have made more sense.

Weapons is a big one, it is stuffed, even more so when there is a quest that requires you to have 2 weapons basically (one you are upgrading and an alt) also a lot of times your relic is taking up space for the quests till very late in the game. Rings, body, pants, rings are the hardest slots for me, while waist has the most wasted space..

But yes from what we are hearing so far, it seems they are not understanding the issue with space, I agree

[Naunet]

I notice you didn't mention FCs and more worrying, neither did the Live Letter. The FC chest is pitifully small compared to other MMOs.

For some reason, I spaced on this issue in the thread as well. But yes, I agree 100%. My FC is just myself, my husband, and a couple friends, but the FC chest is always full to bursting - and not with random valueless stuff either.

Meanwhile in both WoW and WildStar, the guilds I run have six huge bank tabs each and plenty of room even to store little things to help out lower level players.

[Berethos]

This is a subscription game. SE should not be using tactics that are worse than even the sleaziest f2p MMO when it comes to inventory.

Oh you sweet summer child if you think this is anywhere close to how the sleaziest f2p MMOs handle inventory.

[Berethos]

WoW doesn't have a million different unnecessary items taking up inventory space.

Irrelevant to whether or not the amount of inventory slots being added is significant (which it is, and is in line with the amount other MMOs tend to add when they do add inventory space).

Hell, I even agree that Blizzard handles it better overall, between the freeform nature of what you can put in any given slot (for the most part) and other features.

That we have noticeably more stuff filling up our bags (if you hoard, at least) is irrelevant to the fact that adding around 160 inventory slots is not an insignificant thing.

[Ama_Hamada]

Irrelevant to whether or not the amount of inventory slots being added is significant (which it is, and is in line with the amount other MMOs tend to add when they do add inventory space).

Hell, I even agree that Blizzard handles it better overall, between the freeform nature of what you can put in any given slot (for the most part) and other features.

That we have noticeably more stuff filling up our bags (if you hoard, at least) is irrelevant to the fact that adding around 160 inventory slots is not an insignificant thing.

We are an expansion behind, soon to be 2, so yes it is insignificant with how the game handles items. We do not even know how 4.0 will add to item bloat like with currency and such or if they are addressing this at all. Also calling it 160 increase is VERY misleading, adding space to belts, earnings, brace, and neck DOES NOTHING, while other slots need more space, IN THE CURRENT GAME, +10 is not enough, let alone what is going to happen in SB.