Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[bounddreamer]

And this is why I keep looking at you guys like you're lost in some other reality...

50th level is not "End Game" content anymore...

That would be level 60th... 50th level is irrelevent at this point...

And Bahamet is sitting empty... with no one in the queues anymore... so its even more irrelevent or in need of either an upgrade... or downgrade... one of the two.

It was a level 50 endgame raid. Heavensward has a level 60 endgame raid. And Stormblood is going to have a level 70 endgame raid.

Dropping an expansion with a new level cap doesn't make Coil not a level 50 endgame raid. Because that's what it was. A level 50 endgame raid.

"Bahamut is sitting empty with no one in the queues..."

NO ONE QUEUED FOR IT, DUDER.

You get INTO it from duty finder. But you party up with people before going in. Which is exactly how people run Alex Savage content today, because they want to have control over the party composition before queueing, among other reasons.

[Vidu]

NO ONE QUEUED FOR IT, DUDER.

You get INTO it from duty finder. But you party up with people before going in. Which is exactly how people run Alex Savage content today, because they want to have control over the party composition before queueing, among other reasons.

I feel part of the problem here is that OP seems fairly new (excatly one class at 60, only another one above level 50; no gathering or crafting classes even touched; total lack of any veteran-rewards like the ahriman or behemot-mount...) and has only learned so far that anything that is in the DF can be queued for with the DF and be cleared with the DF. Just as bswpaython has made wrong assumptions base on unsuffcient data this person/the OP has made wrong assumptions because they weren able to interpret the game correctly. Its to bad for them that they rather throw a tantrum and blame everyone for their problem except the person who is to blame: themself.

Maybe I am patrinising now, when Is ay "They dont know better" - the sad truth is though they dont even want to know better...

But I cant stress enough how missleading Endgame-raids (Coil, Savage) in Df are in most cases - they're not DF-content, they're static content that has been placed in DF so people dont have to walk to an NPC anymore to queue up for it.

I queued once for T13 when it was still relevant content - I was curious if we would be able to beat it in DF. We did one pull, then realised that the random composition the DF had blessed us with aswell as the lack of knowledge of the fight and the inability of people to understand and execute mechanics, would make it impossible to even reach the second phase.
And thats why no one queues for it, because everyone who is aware about what that content is, knows that thats what going to happen.

[Crysten]

To those still fighting the good fight against the tidal wave of dumb in this thread, if you ever find yourselves on Ragnarok, I will give you a hug, cookies and a stiff drink to help wash the pain away.

I've got nothing but admiration for the patience you guys have, seriously!

[bswpayton]

[QUOTE=Vidu;4122791]I feel part of the problem here is that OP seems fairly new /QUOTE]
I see I'm still being discussed again At first I didn't know that nobody qued for it. That's was months ago but now I know people do and it's usync only mostly so if content is only ran usync only ninthy percent of the time then it's become trash content. And should be set up in a way to where people like op shouldn't have to come to the forums and say something about it. It doesn't matter what they do to a level fifty raid now it's old and dated it should be just as face roll as all the other level fifty stuff unsync is

@Istaru

That goes for every role as far as mechanics, but I dont see how anyone can deny that tanks and heals are on par with each other While dps just dish out damage which tanks and healers can do. Tons of content can be done without dps , but the flip side of that is tons cant be done with no tanks or no heals, dps serve their purpose but they arent in lines with importance as tanks or heals.

[Vidu]

I see I'm still being discussed again At first I didn't know that nobody qued for it. That's was months ago but now I know people do and it's usync only mostly so if content is only ran usync only ninthy percent of the time then it's become trash content. And should be set up in a way to where people like op shouldn't have to come to the forums and say something about it. It doesn't matter what they do to a level fifty raid now it's old and dated it should be just as face roll as all the other level fifty stuff unsync is

@Istaru

That goes for every role as far as mechanics, but I dont see how anyone can deny that tanks and heals are on par with each other While dps just dish out damage which tanks and healers can do. Tons of content can be done without dps , but the flip side of that is tons cant be done with no tanks or no heals, dps serve their purpose but they arent in lines with importance as tanks or heals.

I will repeat: Coil unsyched still does not has to be easier than any dungeon unsyched. Dungeon mechanics can wipe you if you ignore them, so can Coil - they're not different from each other. Coils difficulty came from meeting dps-checks (as in: not hitting enrage) while still dealing with more mechanics than the average dungeon-boss has. Now that Coil is and can be done unsyched a good chunck of those mechanics can be ignored, reducing it to about 3 or 4 mechanics in T11 (for example; we went over those a few times already, sadly neither you nor OP actually stated that "Yes, that is to difficult for me to do, it has to be nerfed!" - either ignoring what we told you or knowing deep in your heart that you're wrong about calling those "uber difficult content").

Even though I have mained a tank for the past 4 years and am extremly familiar with playing a healer aswell, I have to burst your little bubble: Tanks and healers are not more important to a run than DPS. Stop telling yourself that to boost your own ego at the cost of false information and downgrading your fellow players who enjoy dps. You're showing a lot more elitst attitude here than any of those toxic veterans who are telling you "If I was able to beat Coil, so are you!" - because your stand is "I picked the most important class so I'm the most important person here! DPS can go home!"
I've run dungeons without a healer or a tank before and I'll take a good DPS over a midcore healer or tank any day. As a paladin I can compensate for the lack of a healer. As scholar I can compensate for the lack of a tank by being the tank myself. As dps I'm skilled enough to tank and keep myself alive. Dont pretend that in a team-"based" game some classes are more equal than others...
I dont want to engage in this discussion with you again - you've said this nonsense before and you still seem to believe that playing tank or healer makes you more important than any dps-class. You are being rude and disrespectful again just to boost your own ego. You've placed yourself on a high horse without any right to do so. Please stop.

[bswpayton]

I will repeat: Coil unsyched still does.

Job build is a fact , dps were not built in a way to sustain themselves. With maybe the exception of summoner, but even still dps are not made in a way to sustain themselves this not ego this is fact. The only reason I mention it is because of a comment that was made to me.

[Dualgunner]

Job build is a fact , dps were not built in a way to sustain themselves. With maybe the exception of summoner, but even still dps are not made in a way to sustain themselves this not ego this is fact. The only reason I mention it is because of a comment that was made to me.

Fists of Earth, Keen Flurry, Second Wind, Bloodbath, Foresight are all abilities DPS can have that help greatly in sustaining themselves in the unfortunate event they need to OT/subtank because the tank died. I've personally (yes an anecdote) saved more than a few runs with Bloodbath + Doomspike spam as dragoon.

[Vidu]

Job build is a fact , dps were not built in a way to sustain themselves. With maybe the exception of summoner, but even still dps are not made in a way to sustain themselves this not ego this is fact. The only reason I mention it is because of a comment that was made to me.

Yeah, thats totally why we're having skills like blood bath (can be used by dragoon) and second wind. Thats totally why dps-classes are able to solo potd aswell. But all of that requires skill, ofc.

Healers and especially tanks are only artifically important - for most content in this game we could simply replace tanks with dps and it would matter pretty little. About 50% of Dun Scaith runs I did a dps ends up tanking at least the first boss because the tanks are just useless and I can heal them with ease. As bard I used to pick up adds quite frequently because tanks wouldnt do so, using my selfhealing skills to survive. I could go on but I wont, because I actually need some sleep and I'm afraid it wouldnt get through to you anyways.
Your so called "main-class" paladin isnt half as important as you seem to believe.

Quick Edit: Let me tell you who is most important: The person - no matter the job they're on - who is competent enough to deal with mechanics. Ironic, isnt it? When it comes to mechanics everyone is euqally challenged and no matter the job, the person who fails to handle them has a good chance to wipe the entire group. In the light of this entire thread quite ironic, isnt it?

[Awful]

Once again you guys are just totally out of touch with reality...

Wow... talk about out of touch with reality...

Wow... just wow... you guys really are that out of touch with reality.

In all seriousness everyone has told you the way you can rectify you and the only thing you can say is your one liner that we're out of touch with reality, they've said it 40 pages ago and they're telling you now. Whether you like it or not this is how unsync is set up, you missed the excitement that is coil and now Alex Savage (if you even care) so there's that but hey none of my business since Sophia EX is harder then Coil was back in the day *sarcasm*.

[Vidu]

In all seriousness everyone has told you the way you can rectify you and the only thing you can say is your one liner that we're out of touch with reality, they've said it 40 pages ago and they're telling you now. Whether you like it or not this is how unsync is set up, you missed the excitement that is coil and now Alex Savage (if you even care) so there's that but hey none of my business since Sophia EX is harder then Coil was back in the day *sarcasm*.

Well, its impossible for them to be in the wrong, isnt it? Maybe I'm becoming a bit spiteful by now, but I'm seriously wondering how people are living their lifes with an attitude like this - running against a wall, demanding for it to go away and when someone tells them to just use the door two steps away from them getting upset and yelling at them that the door is obviously not the way to go if you want to get to the other side of the wall.