Chinese server is putting Legacy Chocobo on cash shop

[ErryK]

I hope they put legacy stuff on the Mog Station. Not because I want it but because some of these attitudes are quite negative.

[LalaRu]

Chinese server is putting Legacy Chocobo on cash shop

As long as the Chinese datacenter is living by itself, I do not care what happens there.

[ReplicaX]

Yeah, you had to pay for 90 days while 1.0 was still running. But again, you act like Legacy players were the only source of income toward SE at the time. At the very low end (judging by the amount of names in the credits) they produced at least 1.7mil. Do you really believe an MMO (rebuilt from the ground up) only cost around 2mil? If so, I would find you "sadly misinformed." Especially considering production began on 2.0 in January 2011, and the Legacy program wasn't introduced until 2012. Did Legacy players go back in time to fund that year of production as well?

While I understand you opinion and side of things.

- I paid and played XI for 12 years.
- I've purchased every FF since the first to present when they were released, not yrs later.
- XIV I started on 1.0 Alpha and played and paid all the way to current ARR (besides the time where the service was free)
- I submitted reports for every alpha and beta.

Even with all these, do I feel that I helped save the game? No. Do I feel like I contributed to make a better product? Yes. My Legacy items are a reward for that in my eyes and has meaning for that exclusiveness, besides what SE has promised out of them multiple times.

SE can create plenty of things for players and generate money and retain their promise on legacy items. The CS has already proven that.

Again, I don't mind China getting these items, they are a separate situation. To others that feel this is greedy, my position isn't one of those that just paid my way into legacy status.

[Istaru]

I joined the game in 2014, but that doesn't mean I wasn't following it. I simply had no ability to play 1.0, or I would have. I would have opted in on some other form to pay toward 2.0, if given the choice, as I was interested in playing a new FF MMO. (A lot of people think they just took money from FFXI anyway.)

I'm going to break it here so I can agree with you. I also believe that money from FFXI contributed to both 1.0 and 2.0. I think that is a true statement. I cannot and won't even try to put a number on that contribution, but I am a firm believer that it is true nonetheless.

But I never wanted anything out of it. I still wouldn't have threatened to quit over legacy items. I don't want them, nor do I care who gets/wants them. Hell, they didn't even have to give out anything. You mention deserving them, but really all you were doing was hedging your bets that 2.0 would come, let alone succeed. But I digress.

I'm going to mostly agree here too. Subscriptions started back up in early 2012, I don't think the legacy campaign happened until the Spring. Those of us that paid during that time did so without the expectation of things for 2.0 as well.

Some of us do say that we deserve the items, some of us say that there wouldn't be a game now without us, I don't fully agree with that.

What baffles me, is when people cry and say they're going to quit because someone else has a chance to get some digital code. It doesn't make any sense coming from a supposed die hard legacy player that "suffered" through 1.0. Like that's some badge of honor. At the very worst, it was the equivalent of paying for a bad game twice. We've all paid money for bad games.

I am one of the people who said they may quit over releasing the Legacy Chocobo on the Mogstation. This is why:

When they did the Legacy Campaign, the made an offer. Pay for at least 3 months, in return we will grant you Legacy Status and is only available until a certain date. You have to complete it prior to that or you are ineligible.

Legacy Status granted the reduced subscription fee and the Chocobo.

If you completed the terms, then you have entered in an agreement with SE on that. A contract if you will.

In this case, those bonuses are exclusive to the terms that were agreed to by the seller and the purchaser. Changing that agreement, by removing the agreement of limitation of time sensitivity without agreement from both parties is them breaking that original contract.

That is my dislike. There is more on that below.

It makes them sound like an entitled brat, or some kind of jilted lover. "We made FFXIV:ARR what it is, by tossing money at it for 90 days. Nevermind the 5-6mil supposedly playing now. Nor the millions that SE put into it to begin with. Us 33,000 made it ALL happen!" I'm not denying they helped, but they didn't set the stars in the sky.

Again, I will agree that it helped, but money also came from other sources too.

SE, never entered into any type of agreement with people who purchased their goods or services in relation to this game or Legacy Status. They didn't, there should not be any expectation for such to happen.

My issue with them adding the Chocobo to the Mogstation is that by doing so, they have broken the terms of a deal that was made. A deal they offered.

Part of the value of legacy was the exclusivity of the Chocobo. I will not sugarcoat that exclusivity and rarity increases the value of an item in the views of many purchasers. It doesn't happen here only. It happens all around us in the world with many things.

I am not going to try and justify exclusives, artificially limited items or anything like that. Not the purpose of this response.

Breaking any deal runs a risk of damaging the product attached to it. The risk and the damage vary based upon many things. I don't want to see that happen.

What does that have to do with quitting over a mount?

SE broke their agreement. I honored my part of the agreement and I consider it reasonable to expect the same from the seller. I do not do business with companies that perform actions that break contracts or deliberately perform actions that significantly alter the value of an item.

In the end, I am left with a choice, do I swallow my pride and accept that, or do I cease to do business with that company?

I don't want to have to make that choice, and I hope SE never forces me to.

The Korean and Chinese versions are run by a different company, they did not make the agreement with some players that SE did. Therefore, I do not consider it reasonable to extend that contract or expectations for it to be honored to them.

[RosaLunaCelestia]

I think we should ignore what china/korean server getting to be happy and no complain . I think i will stop to be on general discussion on all forum xD Like that i see nothing ^^

[JunseiKei]

Buying a BMW does not mean you are rich or come from a well-to-do background. It just means you did whatever to get that status symbol.

Just because you own a Legacy chocobo does not mean you were actually there for the bad times of FFXIV. It just means you paid for 3 months to get legacy status, perhaps barely even touching the game. I know more legacy players that did that than those that actually stuck with it.

[Lexia]

Buying a BMW does not mean you are rich or come from a well-to-do background. It just means you did whatever to get that status symbol.

Just because you own a Legacy chocobo does not mean you were actually there for the bad times of FFXIV. It just means you paid for 3 months to get legacy status, perhaps barely even touching the game. I know more legacy players that did that than those that actually stuck with it.

True, there a person I play with that has legacy sub and thought 1.0 was only free for like a month or two and I was like uh no 1.0 was free for like a year before they put the sub back in place.

[Jennika]

I'm a Legacy player and I never use the chocobo and I don't care. If it does happen, I do think the legacy mark should stay exclusive to those characters though.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I hope they put legacy stuff on the Mog Station. Not because I want it but because some of these attitudes are quite negative.

Can I join you? I'll bring the popcorn and soda if you bring the 3D glasses and chairs.

[Iromi]

It's kinda funny to see the salt for legacy even after all these years. I remember in 2013 on the beta forums we were attacked haha it was kinda funny/sad. Called jerks, elitists, all kinds of names..lol there was tons of threads made about "Do not play on a legacy server!!! They are bad people" and then the salt came with the discount sub, and the rewards. At least we got to make funny memes outta it >.>

Oh..and FYI, whatever people want to assume, I actually did not even know about the legacy campaign until my boyfriend was like "Oh nice! You got legacy today!" while pointing at my screen, me "what?? What is that lol" I was just happily playing 1.0..could care less about any status nor did I even know it existed, I just loved the game at the time. (and to this day still)

Anyway to continue discussing this is pointless..they already added it to China, who cares, if its truly a different game run by a different company..whatever..and they will never add it in our Mogstation, so its just all moot. I thought it was approved by SE and run by SE..but if its not, that changes my mind a bit.

OH and I agree with Istaru, if they broke the deal...that is what would bother me. Breaking the word!