Since we are all getting what we want...

[Iromi]

Nice earring.

Horns alright as well.

thx ^^ Its the glass pumpkin from 200 floor potd haha

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I'm perfectly fine not having any 1.0 stuff.
I wasn't there for it. I didn't even play MMOs then. So technically they don't, and never did exist for me. Don't get me wrong, some of that stuff is actually pretty cool. But I wasn't there for it. Don't deserve the legacy tattoo. A discounted sub might be nice, maybe some day down the road for being a 2.0 relaunch player, but I'm not at a loss for it, and everything else? Meh. I can live and fully enjoy the game without it.

The way I see 1.0 benefits is they existed in a different game. I wouldn't expect bonuses in say, Mass Effect Andromeda if I never played the original trilogy because those are entirely different games. Everything else? I couldn't care less one way or another. If they release the FFX outfits a year or two later, cool. I got it earlier, enjoyed the stream it came with and have it available on all characters free. I won't begrudge someone wanting to pay $12 for it years later.

Not upset with that per se.

I am tired of the inability of the entitled children who play this game that refuse to accept that some items had limited ability or were timed exclusives.

Personally, I don't have the Hermes Sandles. I accept that I neglected to complete the action required since I meant to renew my XI account and I didn't do that. I don't have the Wind-up Bahamut, again I procrastinated on purchasing the soundtrack and did not do so in time.

I'm adult enough to accept the fact that these were items that had a window of opportunity to obtain them and for whatever reason, I missed out on them. That is how exclusives work.

I have never asked for those items to be brought back in any way, shape or form and I never will.

That lack of maturity in some people is what aggravates me.

See, this argument doesn't work because it applies both ways. You are no less entitled, by technical definition, advocating something stay exclusive because you want it to remain special. Why do you (generalizing) care? Because, in your subjective view, the item loses value if everyone can have it. That is entitlement. Not everyone feels the same way, even those who benefited from the exclusivity. Calling them childish and professing how "adult" you are comes across silly. So let's shelve that argument since it really boils down to just pointless name calling. A better one is the simple differing of opinion. Some think exclusives are fine, others are very unique circumstances and the rest disagree with them entirely. No one is inherently wrong here because, once again, value on exclusives is all subjective.

[Istaru]

See, this argument doesn't work because it applies both ways. You are no less entitled, by technical definition, advocating something stay exclusive because you want it to remain special.

Please share your technical definition of exclusive.

This is the one I use:

Limiting or limited to possession, control, or use by a single individual or group.

In this case, that group is the people who met the requirements to obtain something within the time allowances set by the issuer, in this case, SE. It is limited by their definition.

My reasoning is detailed below.

Why do you (generalizing) care? Because, in your subjective view, the item loses value if everyone can have it. That is entitlement.

I care because, when purchasing an item as exclusive, or of limited release, artificial or not, there is supposed to be a limit on the release of that item. That limitation is set by the seller of the item, in this case, SE. It is also accepted by the purchaser, in this case, that would be us, the players.

Without that, they can release 100,000,000 for all I care.

An example would be the Post Moogle Plush. They never said it had limits on it, so I don't care about how many they make or release. The fact that they can't keep many of these items in stock is another issue. It would be better if they worked that out, but that is another matter all together. It was released about 3 years ago and the code is still obtainable.

For some items, may or may not apply in all cases, exclusives are usually tied to first run or pre-order items, which go way beyond just FFXIV and not limited to video games. In those cases, those bonuses are exclusive to that pre-order or first run only are an agreement that the seller will limit the release of that item, in exchange for the seller to get something they want. Gaining money prior to delivering the good or charging a premium are examples of the gains that the seller receives. Obtaining an item of desire prior to its removal from the marketplace is the gain for the buyer.

Changing that agreement, by removing the agreement of limitation on the quantity without agreement from both parties is them breaking that original contract.

That is my sticking point. It is a business contract. That item, that is to be limited in quantity, is part of that contract.

That is my dislike. There is more on that below.

Not everyone feels the same way, even those who benefited from the exclusivity. Calling them childish and professing how "adult" you are comes across silly. So let's shelve that argument since it really boils down to just pointless name calling.

Good enough.

A better one is the simple differing of opinion. Some think exclusives are fine, others are very unique circumstances and the rest disagree with them entirely. No one is inherently wrong here because, once again, value on exclusives is all subjective.

Personally, they could NEVER do another exclusive ever again, and I would be perfectally happy. I have not said that I am a fan of them making exclusive items. That is because I'm not a fan of them. They are a tool used by businesses to manipulate us.

I don't like it personally, but I understand why companies do and why we go along with it. Changing it after the fact, without prior agreed compensation is fraud.

Fraud is an act of deceiving or misrepresenting. The seller, SE, stating an item is to be limited in quantity, then changing it to be unlimited is exactly that.

However, if they (SE) says something is to be exclusive in some way, I expect them to honor that.

You want to start a new thread "No more exclusive content"? I'll comment and agree.

[Kiriezaiku]

The way I see 1.0 benefits is they existed in a different game. I wouldn't expect bonuses in say, Mass Effect Andromeda if I never played the original trilogy because those are entirely different games.

This. I didn't start up till late in ARR, but I'm not going to ask for 1.0 things even though I might want them because I feel like that's far overreaching.

As for the rest of the stuff, from old events or from preorders of things that can no longer be obtained, why not just toss them into the cash shop for those interesed in purchasing it? It puts more money into the game, it makes people who wanted them happy, it's a good thing! There's a little too much special snowflake syndrome spreading around here, I feel like you guys are more interested in rubbing it in other's faces that you have a thing that they do not. That kind of attitude is pretty crappy you know :/

[KokonoeAiyoko]

No one answered my question. Is anyone here bothered by this? This is a 1.0 exclusive just dyed red.

[Istaru]

No one answered my question. Is anyone here bothered by this? This is a 1.0 exclusive just dyed red.

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Oh, that thing. Nevermind. I don't care, SE never said it was to be exclusive. I think it was from Aurum Vale actually and was only a dungeon drop. It was not tied to the events specific to the story of 1.0 or anything like that.

If you have it and like it, I hope you wear it with pride.

I feel the same way about the Sylph Goobbue. I don't care that they made one for ARR players.

Is that the answer you wanted?

[myahele]

No one answered my question. Is anyone here bothered by this? This is a 1.0 exclusive just dyed red.

I don't recall any outrage over that being available. Maybe because it's locked behind RNG and can't be sold in the MB. Many formally 1.0 only items eventually became available like: Star-spangled subligar (was a lv 50 FSH reward in 1.0), Chocobo mask, etc and not many complained.

I think most of the outrage happens is if it becomes a cash shop item like the 1.0 moonfire earing

[KokonoeAiyoko]

So essentially, there is no issue with a 1.0 model returning if it's slightly different?

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Oh, that thing. Nevermind. I don't care, SE never said it was to be exclusive. I think it was from Aurum Vale actually.

If you have it and like it, I hope you wear it with pride.

I feel the same way about the Sylph Goobbue. I don't care that they made one for ARR players.

Is that the answer you wanted?

You mention that "SE never said it was to be exclusive", but the same can be said for most 1.0 items. There are only a select few that were intended to be JUST for "legacy" players, and those should remain.

One thing you also have to keep in mind is that this game has a very odd history in that it was completely remade later, shouldn't those players have a chance to obtain those items that aren't specifically "legacy"?

I don't recall any outrage over that being available. Maybe because it's locked behind RNG and can't be sold in the MB. Many formally 1.0 only items eventually became available like: Star-spangled subligar (was a lv 50 FSH reward in 1.0), Chocobo mask, etc and not many complained.

I think most of the outrage happens is if it becomes a cash shop item like the 1.0 moonfire earing

Red Onion Helm can be sold on the market board, actually. Just checked to verify.

Hmm, so people wouldn't mind these items returning if it's obtainable in-game? I wouldn't mind that myself.

[Istaru]

So essentially, there is no issue with a 1.0 model returning if it's slightly different?

You mention that "SE never said it was to be exclusive", but the same can be said for most 1.0 items. There are only a select few that were intended to be JUST for "legacy" players, and those should remain.

One thing you also have to keep in mind is that this game has a very odd history in that it was completely remade later, shouldn't those players have a chance to obtain those items that aren't specifically "legacy.

I am very well aware of its history.

I did clarify to add in items directly tied to its story. Things like the Dalamud Horn and such should remain exclusive to 1.0 IMO. The Red Onion Helm does not meet that criteria, it was only a dungeon drop.

There are many 1.0 items that are still in the game, just changed up slightly. I don't have problems with those.

I'm not sure what response you are trying to get.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Please share your technical definition of exclusive.

Depends on the parameters, but most exclusives are timed. Companies use weasel words and leave things open to interpretation because, as you mention later, it's all a manipulation ploy. I see the exclusivity more "this method is limited" sort of way. At least, that's how Square Enix seems to view it. Is that fair? Maybe not. That's certainly open to debate, but I don't think it's immature for people to feel differently one way or another.

Changing that agreement, by removing the agreement of limitation on the quantity without agreement from both parties is them breaking that original contract.

This is where they get you. Square never actually promised fanfest would be the only way you could get these items; just that was the only way currently. All they say is you'll be ineligible to claim your prize if you don't go. Is it shady? Absolutely. But they technically don't promise anything except you'll get something extra if you go to fanfest/buy the stream with some exceptions.