As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

So with all your boundless empathy and top tier understanding, you can't get what we're trying to say? For the past 80 pages? And this circular argument is still going on?

why do you think I dont? Is that because I havent agreed with everythung? I keep saying now that I agree or get your points in the hope that you know that I do. Doesnt seem to register though

[bounddreamer]

why do you think I dont? Is that because I havent agreed with everythung? I keep saying now that I agree or get your points in the hope that you know that I do. Doesnt seem to register though

Because you're still arguing with people, calling the community hostile and toxic, and pretty much saying that the healer meta is wrong because of your personal experiences. I truly wish I understood what you're trying to achieve here because I don't think the "struggle" is an external one. It's an inability to exercise the many, many options that are available.

[Feyona]

That is necessary for role design. I have experienced first hand through research that isolating roles leads to downtime which is filled with nothing,



Didn't you call me elitist several pages ago for basically no reason? I believe BoundDreamer called it character assassination, I prefer the term defamation of character. I shrugged that off, or would you rather I act the way you are?

I said your words were elitist, and I could actually say that your ignoring me as well just because you dont agree, reply or have a favourable response. I just dont agree it should be pressured on to people and thats whether you think its the best way or not it doesnt change that fact. That you and the meta are dictating to others how they play whether they like it or not. kdsiler, your hero now, said I was a joke, and said I was a burden with clear intention to be toxic. I helped more people on this game than I can count.

[Wanzer]

but my understanding of the world around me was stated ias being in the top 4% of the population. I have a first degree, and my empathy with others is boundless.

I'm sorry, but i don't believe you. Especially with all these pages where you just tried to bully and/or insult people who weren't agree with you. If someone with a boundless empathy can do this, then the whole world is totally screwed.
I was already a bit speechless when you said studying psychology (or something like that), but here... Damn, Feyona... Why ? :<

So with all your boundless empathy and top tier understanding, you can't get what we're trying to say? For the past 80 pages? And this circular argument is still going on?

Exactly my thoughts when I read her message. My english isn't good enough to express my opinion, and you just nailed it. Thank you very much.

[Lambdafish]

I could actually say that your ignoring me as well just because you dont agree, reply or have a favourable response.

Theres a reason for that, I listened a lot, and I listened for a long time. I watched your behaviour, and your attitude the way you pick out random bits of minor information and construe it into a fantasy story. The way you single out people and treat them like the worst kinds of people based on assumptions, and misconstrued data (you did that to both me and Amelia). Frankly Feyona, I'm ignoring you because you have been given far too much patience, and your opinion, whatever it is anymore, is of little significance to anyone here, because your attitude gets in the way.

I have agreed with elements that you said several times, I also disagree with healer DPS, I have mentioned several solutions (none of which quoted by you) and design breakdowns on the subject, but the difference is that I didn't come here with a toxic attitude towards the raiding community, with the intent to force my opinion on random people and change the way that raiding works to suit me. There was no other outcome than backlash.

Sorry for the emotional outburst, but I have been too patient for too long.

[Mikazuki_Aura]

The healer's jobs are to reduce damage taken and to heal damage dealt.

Reducing damage taken comes from any shield-type statuses available, from sending mobs to sleep, from punting mobs that aren't being AoEd, attacked or asleep far away, from killing mobs (DPS goes here) and from curing status ailments. In general mitigation is more important than healing because in general, mitigation is significantly more time-efficient and MP-efficient than healing.

Healing damage dealt is, well, healing damage dealt. And reviving the dead.

Mediocre healers do not know when damage is going to be dealt, and need to keep everyone topped off to ensure nobody dies. Those who know fights very well know when something can be left to natural regen to handle, when heal-over-time is enough, and when instant healing is necessary, and in what strength. And the bad ones let people die.

So yes, healers need to DPS, but not for damage's sake, but for the sake of reducing damage taken. Tanks also need to DPS, but not for damage's sake, but for the sake of both maintaining threat, and reducing the damage they take (to make things easier for a healer).

However, healers also need to do things other than just damage or healing. Timing Esuna to cancel status ailments such as Pacification is necessary, especially if you have no bard. Sleep is necessary. Buffing party members is necessary. Interrupting problematic enemy attacks, if your tank is sleeping or when multiple attacks come at once, is necessary. Activating dungeon mechanics that reduce the damage taken by your party is necessary. Drawing aggro from certain slow mobs, dumping a further Heavy on them and kiting them, together with Sleep, is necessary. Thematically, healers are the most complicated task in any MMO to do well, and FF14 is no exception.

[Feyona]

I'm sorry, but i don't believe you.
I was already a bit speechless when you said studying psychology (or something like that), but here... Damn, Feyona... Why ? :<


Exactly my thoughts when I read her message. My english isn't good enough to express my opinion, and you just nailed it. Thank you very much.

Now Im being called a liar and its me that is insulting? Please look over the posts and see who has insulted who. And its actually true I have it on paper. That you dont belive me is up to you Im not bothered that you dont see that I care for people being forced how to play , and hat gang mentality wont force me to agree with you either. I understand the meta and all of the people enforcing it can go eat it, like you swallowed it whole in the first place without giving any thought to how it may impact on others.

[Wanzer]

Now Im being called a liar and its me that is insulting? Please look over the posts and see who has insulted who. And its actually true I have it on paper. That you dont belive me is up to you Im not bothered that you dont see that I care for people being forced how to play , and hat gang mentality wont force me to agree with you either. I understand the meta and you can go eat it, like you swallowed it whole in the first place without giving any thought to how it may impact on others.

No. What you said (in my previous quote) doesn't match with what you did. This is the difference. If you want to take it as if I said you were a liar, fine.

But it's funny to see that you still don't know what is an insult, or not. Noticing something based on facts is totally different than accusing people of lying. I would say : it's more about being coherent between your thoughts and your acts. And you aren't.

[bounddreamer]

Now Im being called a liar and its me that is insulting? Please look over the posts and see who has insulted who. And its actually true I have it on paper. That you dont belive me is up to you Im not bothered that you dont see that I care for people being forced how to play , and hat gang mentality wont force me to agree with you either. I understand the meta and all of the people enforcing it can go eat it, like you swallowed it whole in the first place without giving any thought to how it may impact on others.

"I don't believe you" doesn't remotely translate to "you are a liar."

You keep accusing people of twisting your words. What would you call what just happened there?

You may think your understanding is good, but your comprehension isn't coming across at all. Taking something that someone said and completely changing the meaning does not allow for a common ground or a meaningful discussion.

[Lambdafish]

"I don't believe you" doesn't remotely translate to "you are a liar."

You keep accusing people of twisting your words. What would you call what just happened there?

You may think your understanding is good, but your comprehension isn't coming across at all. Taking something that someone said and completely changing the meaning does not allow for a common ground or a meaningful discussion.

*Incoming Feyona post about how you are completely wrong, that she understands perfectly clearly and that you are attacking her viewpoint*