EU Confirmed as 3rd Rate Customer

[Theodric]

It doesn't change the fact that you had absolutly no reason to choose a NA recommended server instead of a EU labeled one.
In fact, timezones alone are a good enough argument to join the officially recommended servers.

Don't put that one on SE. It's your decision only.

It changes a whole lot, though you and the handful of other posters parroting the same comebacks are simply being stubborn. Clearly it isn't an issue you care very much for, so one has to wonder why you're even posting if you're not bothering to consider the bigger picture. You're very welcome to contest the list of individual points raised by various posters - myself included - throughout the thread. As it stands, you're just pointing fingers and claiming that European players are utterly to blame. Which is a rather bizarre stance to take.

[Anzaman]

Well, NA people joined datacenter labeled for EU.. AND got free transfer out of it.

I don't see what harm it'd cause if they'd give free transfer to EU server now that NA server is moving.

[Theodric]

Well, NA people joined datacenter labeled for EU.. AND got free transfer out of it.

I don't see what harm it'd cause if they'd give free transfer to EU server now that NA server is moving.

Let's not forget that Japanese and North American players received an excellent deal when it came to the maid/butler promotion whilst European players did not. That European players aren't prone to being overlooked or handed a raw deal by comparison to their North American and Japanese counterparts is something many in this thread would do well to bear in mind. Especially those that are seeking to pin the blame on European players completely.

[Fyce]

It changes a whole lot, though you and the handful of other posters parroting the same comebacks are simply being stubborn. Clearly it isn't an issue you care very much for, so one has to wonder why you're even posting if you're not bothering to consider the bigger picture. You're very welcome to contest the list of individual points raised by various posters - myself included - throughout the thread. As it stands, you're just pointing fingers and claiming that European players are utterly to blame. Which is a rather bizarre stance to take.

I'm only pointing a finger at EU players who choose a NA labeled server for not apparent reason, and are now blaming SE for not offering them a free transfer, even though their experience absolutly didn't change at all.
I am an european player myself. One of the vast majority who made a smart choice. And I already explained everything in my previous post... but since you probably didn't read it, here we go again:

- NA player on EU server (ping increase after servers relocation): makes sense to offer a free transfer (EU->NA) after Chaos got moved in Germany since that player would've had a worse experience if s/he stayed on the same EU server.
- EU player on NA server (same ping after servers relocation): Chaos moving to Germany has no impact on that player, since that player isn't on Chaos. Chaos was officially recommended for EU player for sharing timezones between players, and because it had supposedly better routing from Europe. That player made the choice to ignore these two relevant points.
- NA player on NA server (same ping after servers relocation): nothing happens. And now, NA servers will be moved to another NA location. No need to transfer anyone.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Let's not forget that Japanese and North American players received an excellent deal when it came to the maid/butler promotion whilst European players did not. That European players aren't prone to being overlooked or handed a raw deal by comparison to their North American and Japanese counterparts is something many in this thread would do well to bear in mind. Especially those that are seeking to pin the blame on European players completely.

Well, japan is a single country, pretty easy to do events. NA was probably easy to sey up do to similarity in laws to events or company policies or what have you. EU seems like a much bigger m3ss to deal wi5h 2hen an event isnt set for one or two countries, winc3 you hav3 5o abide by all laws for every country participating

[Lexia]

Well, NA people joined datacenter labeled for EU.. AND got free transfer out of it.

I don't see what harm it'd cause if they'd give free transfer to EU server now that NA server is moving.

Does it really matter if they have free transfers? It would still have the liminations of the paid version. With that said would you still transfer? But let me guess that be SE's fault also?

[Nezerius]

I'm only pointing a finger at EU players who choose a NA labeled server for not apparent reason

I stated my reasons in my previous post. While they might not seem good enough for you, that doesn't invalidate them. Another reason to add is that I'm usually awake during midnight/morning, so those recommended EU time zones don't do much for me, to begin with. Then again, I'm not complaining about a free transfer, even if something like that would be the most fair way to go about it.

- NA player on EU server (ping increase after servers relocation): makes sense to offer a free transfer (EU->NA) after Chaos got moved in Germany since that player would've had a worse experience if s/he stayed on the same EU server.
- EU player on NA server (same ping after servers relocation): Chaos moving to Germany has no impact on that player, since that player isn't on Chaos. Chaos was officially recommended for EU player for sharing timezones between players, and because it had supposedly better routing from Europe. That player made the choice to ignore these two relevant points.
- NA player on NA server (same ping after servers relocation): nothing happens. And now, NA servers will be moved to another NA location. No need to transfer anyone.

It's clear that you've never heard of the terms "East coast" and "West coast". If the servers are moved to the West coast, it'll definitely increase the ping for both EU players on NA servers and East coast players on NA servers.

[LunaFaye]

Let's not forget that Japanese and North American players received an excellent deal when it came to the maid/butler promotion whilst European players did not. That European players aren't prone to being overlooked or handed a raw deal by comparison to their North American and Japanese counterparts is something many in this thread would do well to bear in mind. Especially those that are seeking to pin the blame on European players completely.

for crying out loud you're still on that? Maybe not I but you should do some educational research, because you would find out that the promotions that were offered, needed to be based on the law's of these countries/regions and not on SE's mood that day.

There's also a reason people in australia are excluded most of the times when it comes to promotional campaigns via virtual platforms. And you'll see these people constantly blame the company behind it instead of looking up why these kind of promotions can not be applied as is compared to other countries. I don't support it but that's sadly the facts and how it goes throughout most platforms.

Let me repeat myself again, after reading the comment made by Anzaman. To that time the data center was located on the same continent as the NA data center. As the EU data center moved to Germany (different continent) NA players got offered a free transfer, and not because of the ping... (i swear if someone uses that word again), there was a massive issue with the connection/routing and accessing the servers due to our horrible internet providers. While there was a small ping increase (complete different subject), it was and still is not relevant, lots of people would have stayed if our routing to Germany would have been better in comparison to montreal (which is even worse in most cases).

This time the NA data center is being moved to a different region but the same continent, and that's the whole point right here. Anything else is irrelevant, because your routing will be the same from europe to the new data center then it has been prior. If it would be moving half across the globe and become a problematic in itself's, I could understand the outrage and disappointment about none existing free transfers, but that isn't the case.

To be honest, if someone would have stepped up and opened a topic with a plausible explanation, evidence and concerns about a move of NA data centers and the possibility of offering free transfer, to europeans, that are currently still playing on the NA data center itself, proper and accurate worded I and many other's would have supported that petition. Because nobody should have a gaming experience like this.

But coming to the forums opening a topic that starts with absolute wrong accusations right at the headline is not the way to go, followed up by comments that were intentionally placed as a trigger to the NA community, in the hopes that the topic will be labeled "as more important" then others and maybe be seen by moderators, is something I don't and can't support because it's not just wrong but plain out ridiculous. I am still waiting for the person that throws the words "discrimination, racism and fraud/scam" in the mix, even tho it has nothing to do with it, but mostly used when topics like this one opens up.

[Lyshell]

The problem here is the situation is completely different situation. It's apple and oranges. During the EU move it was a completely drastic change. There was only 2 data centers. NA and JP so moving to EU is a HUGE move. It was obvious that those on the designated EU server would be affected so there was the option to transfer out. The NA servers are moving... to NA. There's no indication that it's moving across country or 10 miles in either direction. And now there is a place for you to go to if you are worried about your ping you have the option to go to EU if you feel IF it will affect you. So stop playing the victim and realize it's a fair move. It's not preferential treatment to one or the other.

[Bloody]

My question is, how much will the ping really change (since the servers are still gonna be in the same continental region). I expect a minor increase as it is moving south, but unless it gets a few more relay points added in to the route, I don't think it will be going up that much.