As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Sorry but thats so elitist on a game that people should be allowed to enjoy. Words like not qualified, and shouldnt be there more or less is what your saying so only good ones allowed to play a game? And everyone else gtfo? So wrong lambadafish. And whats more you dont see whats wrong with healers doing their job well not being considered qualified

How is it elitist? Say I decide to put together a mid to hardcore static, thus necessitate certain requirements on players trialing to be apart of the group. If you fail to meet those expectations, it's not elitist for you to be dismissed. You were made fully aware of what was expected of you and couldn't handle it for whatever reason. If those kinds of groups are too stressful, you simply don't join them.

Ok but just feel you miss the point. Healer dps isnt necessary for me to be qualfied as a healer. I do that content without it. They way I took lambdafishes comment was that your not qualified to go in there if your not optimal in every way
I am allowed to go in there and clear it no matter how its done it still is. You dont need to be super skilled for savage. Otherwise I wouldnt be able to heal it. Group expectations dont really need to be that high really. Thats the way I see it. I dont think Ill bother with the special stuff for those that want it really hard. This isnt that hard except the learning of it which, I found hard but I still did it so sort of proves non dps healers can

You are missing the point. Each static is unique; with their own individual requirements. Casual groups often won't care if you DPS whereas midcore and above will. While you are absolutely allowed into any content you fancy, you cannot dictate the group's standard unless you are the raid leader. If you join a group and are asked to DPS, you can certainly voice a preference not to, but the group is under no obligation to keep you if they want their healers DPSing. You're essentially asking the entire community to accommodate any and all preferences. That will never happen. Therefore, your options are to either accept that and perform to the expected level, join more casual focused groups or quit Savage. Nothing you say here will force the community to change it's perspective.

[Feyona]

How is it elitist?



You are missing the point. Each static is unique; with their own individual requirements. Casual groups often won't care if you DPS whereas midcore and above will. While you are absolutely allowed into any content you fancy, you cannot dictate the group's standard unless you are the raid leader.

I wont join a hardcore group now Ive been in one but didnt enjoy it. I joined cos I was asked to, and as always said I will try. Its not just the communty my feedback is aimed at its in general. And I do not expect everyone to accept all preferences. Im talking about healer dps not everything. That the force or pressure to do it is totally unecessary. Did you read what the other person said about it or have you completely overlooked what she said? She may quit game cos of it and Im feeling like that too.

[Lambdafish]

I wont join a hardcore group now Ive been in one but didnt enjoy it.

Then don't! You can so easily join a casual group, a just for fun group, make your own group. You have that power and you don't need to impede on a group that doesn't suit your playstyle. Hardcore groups enjoy what they do, you not joining frees up a slot for a healer who likes the high-pressure environment. You have no right at all to enforce your playstyle on another group when you can so easily create your own group.

[Feyona]

Then don't! You can so easily join a casual group, a just for fun group, make your own group. You have that power and you don't need to impede on a group that doesn't suit your playstyle. Hardcore groups enjoy what they do, you not joining frees up a slot for a healer who likes the high-pressure environment. You have no right at all to enforce your playstyle on another group when you can so easily create your own group.

who says I impdede myself on others or enforce my playstyle on groups. Think its more the other way round? You may not see that in game but I do

[Stormbad]

who says I impdede myself on others or enforce my playstyle on groups. Think its more the other way round? You may not see that in game but I do

If you knowingly join a hardcore group and upset that they put pressure on you to dps, then you are enforcing your playstyle on them by staying. You can tell them all of your ideas about what a healer's role is but all you are doing is lowering the fun for the rest of the group. This is why, it is suggested by many people here, that you join a group of like-minded people so nobody will be upset about anything.

I don't understand, do you purposely join groups of hardcore "elitists" to torture yourself when you clearly have no desire to be that way?

[bounddreamer]

who says I impdede myself on others or enforce my playstyle on groups. Think its more the other way round? You may not see that in game but I do

That's kinda character assassination tbh. I haven't seen anything from him to indicate that kind of attitude. Setting standards is miles away from forcing someone to do something.

This whole thing is a lot of:

"You shouldn't force healers to dps."

"Fine, no one is forcing them."

"But they're forcing them in savage. They don't have to dps to savage."

"Okay? They don't have to, but if the group wants them to, they should?"

"Well they wanted me to so I did, but they shouldn't have to."

"They don't have to."

"Stop forcing them."

What do you think would be a productive result of this discussion? Because I'm not seeing a way to get there from here.

[bounddreamer]

Im talking about healer dps not everything. That the force or pressure to do it is totally unecessary. Did you read what the other person said about it or have you completely overlooked what she said? She may quit game cos of it and Im feeling like that too.

Both of you have options. All healers have options. There are pressures in endgame raiding for all players, for both healers. So this "force" that you're so forcefully arguing against can be addressed in a variety of different ways by yourselves, the individuals, rather than expecting the overall community meta to change (which it won't).

Saying that you or anyone may quit the game isn't the catastrophic life event that it may seem to be. Sometimes that is the right choice. It's a personal decision for a personal situation.

[Feyona]

Both of you have options. All healers have options. There are pressures in endgame raiding for all players, for both healers. So this "force" that you're so forcefully arguing against can be addressed in a variety of different ways by yourselves, the individuals, rather than expecting the overall community meta to change (which it won't).

Saying that you or anyone may quit the game isn't the catastrophic life event that it may seem to be. Sometimes that is the right choice. It's a personal decision for a personal situation.

Sure people not being able to enjoy the game doesnt effect you personally and really suits everyone that likes or enforces healer dps . So your fine, why worry about other people. ofc it doent matter. Why should it? All that matters is getting in that optimal play group.People are replaceable . To stormblad above how many times do I have to say I was persuded to go in that hard core static, they wanted to train me. I have never once asked to go in any static in all cases was asked to, in all cases, they knew I wasnt dps heal. The hard core group told me not to dps while learning a fight and the group split up in 2 weeks not due to me. So to say I tortured myself is way off the mark I went in cos they wanted me to and said ill try but felt out of depth with it.

[bounddreamer]

Sure people not being able to enjoy the game doesnt effect you personally and really suits everyone that likes or enforces healer dps . So your fine, why worry about other people. ofc it doent matter. Why should it? All that matters is getting in that optimal play group.People are replaceable .

What part of "they have options" was unclear? I'm not saying "dps or gtfo." I'm saying they have choices. Just like it's a choice to do savage content, to begin with.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I wont join a hardcore group now Ive been in one but didnt enjoy it. I joined cos I was asked to, and as always said I will try. Its not just the communty my feedback is aimed at its in general. And I do not expect everyone to accept all preferences. Im talking about healer dps not everything. That the force or pressure to do it is totally unecessary. Did you read what the other person said about it or have you completely overlooked what she said? She may quit game cos of it and Im feeling like that too.

Like Lamb said, just join a casual group. The group I currently run with is casual focused. I'm not going to demand they push through every mechanic and both healers top the FFlong charts. If I want that kind of group, the onus is on me to seek out a new static because that isn't how they want to play the game. Why can't you do the same and find people who suit your preferences? Go look up DrakGamestein on youtube. His group proudly calls themselves casual raiders. The healers do minimal DPS and the whole group even trolls one another for the sheer fun of it. They aren't going to be on the higher levels of FFlogs, and that's perfectly okay. Plenty of people don't care about numbers, healer DPS or what have you. Go find those groups. What I don't understand if why you feel insistence on changing the community. If someone feels pressured into doing something they otherwise wouldn't, it's on them to leave. In the context of a static, they simply find another one.