As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Lambdafish]

Exclusion is classed as abuse in RL situations

There is a difference between exclusion and grouping. Different parties want different groups of people with different abilities. Are you seriously suggesting that if you aren't qualified for something then you are being abused?

If you really are interested in psychology, look up A theory of sequential reciprocity (Dufwenberg and Kirchsteiger) and Borstein's Ultimatum game, it is an interesting look at group behaviour within games.

[Feyona]

But it is! Find a group of like minded people, and/or do it when gear is higher than minimum (or now with added Echo.) So those options already exist.


And this is an MMO. You're playing it with 7 other people. Everyone ought to be relatively on the same page for how you want to tackle the content with your own group. My group cracks a lot of jokes and talks a lot unless we're super focused on fight progression.

For sure higher bar for stress but mostly its kind of enjoyable stress, being in fear of not being optimal enough isnt really necessary. Still think content is nice to have a challenge otherwise, no one would play. Not sure if it induces that much stress though certainly nothing like the harrassment or coerceon to dps when people are needing to be healed. My opinion.
I do have a casual group its much nicer not to be pressured to be optimal

[Feyona]

There is a difference between exclusion and grouping. Different parties want different groups of people with different abilities. Are you seriously suggesting that if you aren't qualified for something then you are being abused?

ofc not its taking it a bit out of context and twisting it slightly. If you cant even get a group cos you dont dps as healer thats being excluded but yes this is an mmo oofc its different fom RL. Just said that because exclusion is un cormfortable for people and fear of being ostracized in that way creates stress not to be excuded, cos you cant play at optimal level.

[Stormbad]

ofc not its taking it a bit out of context and twisting it slightly. If you cant even get a group cos you dont dps as healer thats being excluded but yes this is an mmo oofc its different fom RL. Just said that because exclusion is un cormfortable for people and fear of being ostracized in that way creates stress not to be excuded, cos you cant play at optimal level.

Once again, this applies to all jobs. If a DPS is not putting up optimal numbers given their ilvl for their job, they'll be excluded in PF farm groups (for hard content). Same goes for tanks. If you always have friends who can play around you, then do whatever you'd like in comfort without judgement but once you go out into the wild, be prepared to be judged based on your performance. This is just how the world works. Also, personally, I've seen WAY more DPS being kicked for low damage than tank and healers combined. I can't even remember the last time a tank or healer was kicked from a farm group.

Also, if people out there want a challenge as a healer that's not DPS focused, try solo healing savage content. You'll get your enjoyment from that, right?

[Lambdafish]

ofc not its taking it a bit out of context and twisting it slightly. If you cant even get a group cos you dont dps as healer thats being excluded but yes this is an mmo oofc its different fom RL. Just said that because exclusion is un cormfortable for people and fear of being ostracized in that way creates stress not to be excuded, cos you cant play at optimal level.

Its a high-pressure environment, there are people in the real world who can't handle, and subsequently don't get, high-pressure jobs. Theres no twisting, that is a matter of fact that a lot of people don't qualify for the groups, and they are not entitled to be in those groups, whether that makes them uncomfortable or not is actually irrelevant, as insensitive as that sounds.

[Tint]

For sure higher bar for stress but mostly its kind of enjoyable stress, being in fear of not being optimal enough isnt really necessary. Still think content is nice to have a challenge otherwise, no one would play. Not sure if it induces that much stress though certainly nothing like the harrassment or coerceon to dps when people are needing to be healed. My opinion.
I do have a casual group its much nicer not to be pressured to be optimal

i know exactly what you mean, i am almost quitting healing altogether because of the preassure of "doing more dps". regardless of how much dps i am already doing - staying there, doing nothing for 1 or 2 gcds, not knowing for sure what happens next, can i switch to cleric? should i stay in healing stance? will i labelled as "lazy" and whatnot (i read somewhere here healers who stay around and don't dps are the plague of FF14). it's not enjoyable at all. i tried tanking and dps classes. tanking of course has similar problems with stance dancing, but at least you are still moving while in tank stance, so nobody can say you are lazy, and i have fun with the dark knight. but also suffering from the infamous tankxiety... and i don't like any of the dps classes.
so quitting healing would mean quitting the game. but i don't want to quit the game. i am playing since 2013, made friends, had fun, cleared coil back then in 2.x and lots of other things, over 10k hours playtime... and now i shall quit because i am either doomed to run casual content wich doesn't require healing at all on the one side and shall not join any hardcore content on the other side because i just want to heal?

[Stormbad]

i know exactly what you mean, i am almost quitting healing altogether because of the preassure of "doing more dps". regardless of how much dps i am already doing - staying there, doing nothing for 1 or 2 gcds, not knowing for sure what happens next, can i switch to cleric? should i stay in healing stance? will i labelled as "lazy" and whatnot (i read somewhere here healers who stay around and don't dps are the plague of FF14). it's not enjoyable at all. i tried tanking and dps classes. tanking of course has similar problems with stance dancing, but at least you are still moving while in tank stance, so nobody can say you are lazy, and i have fun with the dark knight. but also the infamous tankxiety... i don't like any of the dps classes.
so quitting healing would mean quitting the game. but i don't want to quit the game. i am playing since 2013, made friends, had fun, cleared coil back then in 2.x and lots of other things, over 10k hours playtime... and now i shall quit because i am either doomed to run casual content wich doesn't require healing at all on the one side and shall not join any hardcore content on the other side because i just want to heal?

Solo heal. Nobody should get on your case if you don't dps as a healer.

[Feyona]

Once again, this applies to all jobs. If a DPS is not putting up optimal numbers given their ilvl for their job If you always have friends who can play around you, then do whatever you'd like in comfort without judgement but once you go out into the wild, be prepared to be judged based on your performance. This is just how the world works. Also, personally, I've seen WAY more DPS being kicked for low damage than tank and healers combined.

Also, if people out there want a challenge as a healer that's not DPS focused, try solo healing savage content. You'll get your enjoyment from that, right?

I do practically solo some savage content anyway. But I know how the world works. Im talking about one aspect of the game. If dps cant clear content its a different matter dps is absolutely necessary to clear, healer dps is not absolutely necessary. Therefore I question unecessary pressure

[Feyona]

i know exactly what you mean, i am almost quitting healing altogether because of the preassure of "doing more dps". not knowing for sure what happens next, can i switch to cleric? should i stay in healing stance? will i labelled as "lazy" and whatnot (i read somewhere here healers who stay around and don't dps are the plague of FF14). it's not enjoyable at all. i tried tanking and dps classes.
so quitting healing would mean quitting the game. but i don't want to quit the game. i am playing since 2013, made friends, had fun, cleared coil back then in 2.x and lots of other things, over 10k hours playtime... and now i shall quit because i am either doomed to run casual content wich doesn't require healing at all on the one side and shall not join any hardcore content on the other side because i just want to heal?

I got the same problem exactly.

[Wanzer]

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I hope it would help.