MrHappy interview with Yoshi-p (Raid boss tiers, set bonuses)

[Ririta]

The point of it would be to create a new carrot to try and get more players to participate in content than how many currently participate in it.

They already had the ultimate carrot in Coil (brand new content with no easy option, exclusive gear and story) and people still didn't want to do it. It's time they accept that raiding simply isn't popular on this game.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

They already had the ultimate carrot in Coil (brand new content with no easy option, exclusive gear and story) and people still didn't want to do it. It's time they accept that raiding simply isn't popular on this game.

Except it is, when you look at the larger picture. If you just split crafting and looked at the number of people who actually participate, it's numbers wouldn't be higher than Savage clears. In fact, the number of people generally caught up on story isn't even half the playerbase if we go by the Lucky Bancho census. FFXIV is a game made up of many pieces that appeal to different types of players. You can't just look at one piece of content and say "more people collect glamour! So that's clearly all they should focus on." WoW has similarly low percentages yet they still hype up their raids each expansion.

[Ririta]

You can't just look at one piece of content and say "more people collect glamour! So that's clearly all the should focus on." WoW has similarly low percentages yet they still hype up their raids each expansion.

That's not what I'm doing at all. I'm saying that raiding is niche and bribing people into doing them won't actually increase the numbers.

And if you're gonna use WoW as example, the lack of things to do outside of raiding was a common complaint from Cataclysm and forward.

[ToasterMan]

Hopefully, they will be better, but I more or less agree. If set bonuses are added in Stormblood, I see it being more of a trial attempt. If it does lead to further exclusion, doesn't really change the landscape or causes friction between non-raiders and raiders, I could see them quickly abandoning it. On the other hand, it may be a nice way of allowing raiders to keep their previous tiered gear and still prog the next raid. That does hurt the crafted market though. Ahh, so many things to balance. I don't envy them lol.

You just have to look at how the player base treats WHM and PLD to get a general idea of what could happen. I'm open to trying this but I don't have high hopes.

[aesteval]

That's not what I'm doing at all. I'm saying that raiding is niche and bribing people into doing them won't actually increase the numbers.

And if you're gonna use WoW as example, the lack of things to do outside of raiding was a common complaint from Cataclysm and forward.

Bribing players with the Garo gear and mounts sure appears to have increased the popularity of another less than well appreciated game mode.

[Ririta]

Bribing players with the Garo gear and mounts sure appears to have increased the popularity of another less than well appreciated game mode.

PvP is much more accessible than raiding.

[Shougun]

PvP is much more accessible than raiding.

Hopefully they can make PvP even better with the updates, I really liked leveling my characters up via pvp rather than spamming dungeons. Would be nice if they can make that a thing ~

[Zojha]

Bribing players with the Garo gear and mounts sure appears to have increased the popularity of another less than well appreciated game mode.

"Popularity"... I dunno. It has increased the traffic, sure, but a lot of people are just botting their way through, are standing around or otherwise are a liability to their team. It hasn't made people care about the content or getting better at it one bit and the queues have already increased again, because every reward only works until it has been attained.

On the flipside... simply making Creator easier than previous tiers has given it a huge increase in popularity. Similar applies to story mode - Just by making it easier, you made it hugely more popular and could even reduce the value of the rewards! So that would be the more obvious way to go here.

[ADVSS]

Want to know what's worse? Because of the enormous weapon damage, even with just 80 determination. Those monk fists is on par with the Alex ones and barely lag behind the relic.

yeah thats sort of my point, with the weapon damage weighing alot more than extra secondaries, i guess it could be close, but. Well personally id be ok with raid gear getting this treatment, and making it special and detatched from the tome stuff. I couldnt care if its 10 i levels higher or more, I just dont see why tome upgrades only come from the raid as "incentive" but apparently "necessary" for raid progression to begin with. Sooo...if they did make raid gear an exception in this manner, id be ok and hope theyd keep the tome upgrades out

[enthauptet]

I think this tier tank is the only job which you want to actually use alexandrian gear. The fact that you don't even want to use raid gear is pretty sad and stupid. If we got some bonuses there might actually be a reason to use it for once. Those acc/ss chest and pants for drg,brd,nin sure are awesome! not!