Forcing players to pay to keep housing is unfair.

[Cylla]

I also don't want to see an overhaul to the system (I will never support content being removed), but rather additional wards, Ishgard wards and also instanced houses of all sizes (no timer) with a yard included.

Where in any post did i ever say "removed"??? I said overhaul, meaning a rework of the system and how it ran, not remove sh#t and call it a day. Nobody even remotely said ANYTHING about removing content. However, I will agree with your end comment of them adding instance from here on out for the rest of housing. 2.0 areas will probably never change but SE could sure as hell make the rest of it right as it comes out. (At least this last part I'm going to assume that what you were trying to say... )

And I disagree, the timer isn't better for the player base as a whole. What better for the player base is that everyone has a fair chance of getting a house/apartment/etc if they want it without the stupid fuss of camping housing wards in the hope that someone hit a 45 day timer. I'm a houseowner also, I'm on everyday, so the timer doesn't phase me any. Do I support it? No, not really. I understand the reason why it there, even though we were out right lied to and told that no such things would be applied to this game but here we are, with a timer all because SE couldn't do it right.

[Solarra]

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I'm not sure you are right. If instanced houses were offered all the assets for the actual houses are already there. We'd need an entrance added to each area and the plot would have to be designed but that doesn't sound like that much work and I'm not convinced it would mean the next expansion comes out anywhere near as badly as you describe.

I agree not everyone wants a house but a lot of players do and at the moment, supply is way below demand. Almost every patch sees new content for housing; making it something that requires continuous play to keep on top of only allowing a small proportion of players to access it in the first place, doesn't really make a lot of sense.

[Naunet]

All of this debating is silly. The fact of the matter is SE's housing system is awful and it needs to be fixed. The demolition timer is the crap icing on a poop cake and breeds a lot of resentment - especially when it came from SE going back on their word.

I don't understand how people can be satisfied with the system as-is, let alone attack players for trying to make a post pointing out its flaws.

[Jijifli]

I'm not sure you are right. If instanced houses were offered all the assets for the actual houses are already there. We'd need an entrance added to each area and the plot would have to be designed but that doesn't sound like that much work and I'm not convinced it would mean the next expansion comes out anywhere near as badly as you describe.

I agree not everyone wants a house but a lot of players do and at the moment, supply is way below demand. Almost every patch sees new content for housing; making it something that requires continuous play to keep on top of only allowing a small proportion of players to access it in the first place, doesn't really make a lot of sense.

The issue is how much data is used. Yes, we have the pieces already, but how many can you shove in? The only reason we have this much housing and room space is because the system minimizes a room that nobody is in. Even so, that still uses data. It all takes resources.

When the system can handle it, they might do that. Reminder we're only just now getting a bigger inventory after years of asking for one, only because they have enough now to support it.

[Moonlite]

When the system can handle it, they might do that. Reminder we're only just now getting a bigger inventory after years of asking for one, only because they have enough now to support it.

We have three(four) instanced player only areas? Inn rooms, FC rooms, apartments (haha), squadron rooms. They all have weird conditions that imply that they are instanced. Are you telling me they couldn't start by deleting all 4 of them and giving a small house plus yard. They are already using resources. We also have retainers that have inventory that is not persistent. If they need to have auto log out due to structure so be it.

If they had instanced houses and took down all the wards it seems like they would be less strain and more flexible.


To the SE apologists two things do the math from 3.0 to 4.0 launch and see how often we actually got the 5 updates in HW's. Second housing was first launched with 2.1 Dec 2013. We are going on four years with no improvement. Just piling on the same bad system. It is possible when they launch the new district they have some new design plan in place. But they have seriously shown they dig heals in for bad game design to think they are better then the other guys.

[Jijifli]

We have three(four) instanced player only areas? Inn rooms, FC rooms, apartments (haha), squadron rooms. They all have weird conditions that imply that they are instanced. Are you telling me they couldn't start by deleting all 4 of them and giving a small house plus yard. They are already using resources. We also have retainers that have inventory that is not persistent. If they need to have auto log out due to structure so be it.

If they had instanced houses and took down all the wards it seems like they would be less strain and more flexible.


To the SE apologists two things do the math from 3.0 to 4.0 launch and see how often we actually got the 5 updates in HW's. Second housing was first launched with 2.1 Dec 2013. We are going on four years with no improvement. Just piling on the same bad system. It is possible when they launch the new district they have some new design plan in place. But they have seriously shown they dig heals in for bad game design to think they are better then the other guys.

Inn rooms and Squadron rooms would take up much less. You can't place anything in there, so it's a lot less data (really, the only thing different between different squad rooms is 4-8 npc's.)

FC rooms and apartments are the exact same thing. Also, deleting them would cause player issue, due to the money spent to have those rooms, some having use outside of just being pretty (Roleplay.)

All I'm saying is there likely isn't enough to give everyone a house. I'm not saying they can't cut other things like fc rooms to do it. Something, at least right now, would have to get cut, and I'm sure that if they could, they would rework it.

[Keeroh]

If they had instanced houses and took down all the wards it seems like they would be less strain and more flexible.

This is true! Very true, instancing would cut server strain by an astronomical amount. However, I think the Overworld-Housing-Thinger is a huge draw for the enthusiasts. You can literally take a stroll and have neighbors. If you ever played Wildstar, you may understand why their housing (while amazing) lacked a real sense of location. You had "neighbors" at random, and were literally floating alone in the sky. I would really argue against losing the overworld aspect. It just... it's so nice. I don't have a house, I don't even have an FC, but I have spent *hours* puttering about the wards because it's a wonderful experience to meander.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Though a lot of the neighbourhood-ness is kind of dead in some wards at the moment, at my FC's manor its mostly just us in the area, you barely see anyone. I dunno if its just the people who own the houses in the area just aren't playing at the moment or what.

[Stitches1974]

Though a lot of the neighbourhood-ness is kind of dead in some wards at the moment, at my FC's manor its mostly just us in the area, you barely see anyone. I dunno if its just the people who own the houses in the area just aren't playing at the moment or what.

Same with our FC house. You'll see someone other than a FC member in the area maybe once a month.

[Lan_Mantear]

In a sense we already have instanced housing because each ward is already a separate instance. I believe the issue is that these instances are available 24/7. I bet they could cut down on resource costs if they destroyed each empty ward instance after x minutes of inactivity. Then they could add more wards without needing to add more hardware.

Load time for the first person to enter and activate the instance might take a while, but that's a small sacrifice to pay, and wouldn't take much longer than than the average PS4 without SSD load time.