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  1. #8871
    Player
    LalaRu's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Mi An
    World
    Phantom
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mixae View Post
    ... in Copperbell Mines and DPS where attacking the Ooze ... I pull the bomb with Tomahawk but the DPS every time grab it and run around with it......
    That's not bad playing: they were plain trolling you. Unless.... potd'd 60 thinking that were a slime XD
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  2. #8872
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    SilkaN's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Reginaux Vannaire
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 80
    Brayflox's Longstop, leveling roulette.
    I was a Dragoon, my friend a MCH, the tank was a German Paladin and our healer was French. Both couldn't speak English at all. Tank was a first timer.

    The tank didn't use Shield Lob to pull and just ran straight into the enemies.
    He didn't switch targets and used his combo on a single enemy at a time.
    You might be thinking "he surely used flash twice after pulling", but no, he would use it in between combos. Maybe one time per pull.
    I know that Paladins don't have Shield Oath yet at this level, but I've run this dungeon before as one and know that - although it is kinda stressful - it's entirely possible to keep aggro here.

    I tried to give him a few pieces of advice in German. No reaction. My MCH friend said "brb" before the first boss, but the tank would just run into the arena, get locked in and wipe three times before my friend returned.
    After we killed the second boss, I used waymarks to show him the shortest route to the third boss. Luckily, he actually followed the waymarks and didn't pull additional trash.
    I had to tank the third boss but the tank still managed to die. I don't even know what happened there. On our way to the final boss, I tell him in German "please pull the boss out of the green puddles".
    Even though I said that, I didn't want to take any chances so I tanked the boss myself. The tank did his best to get aggro back from me but at this point I stopped caring.

    It's one thing to be new (which I don't mind), but if you are not reading the chat even though your performance is clearly lacking (as in trash running all over the place), you don't deserve my trust.
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    Last edited by SilkaN; 04-14-2017 at 07:22 PM.

  3. #8873
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    ViolaCrossfire's Avatar
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    Viola Crossfire
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    Odin
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by SilkaN View Post
    Brayflox's Longstop, leveling roulette.
    I was a Dragoon, my friend a MCH, the tank was a German Paladin and our healer was French. Both couldn't speak English at all. Tank was a first timer.
    Copperbell mine, mentor roulette
    Gladiator first timer with arcanist first timer and a random BRD, me as WHM.
    I didn't expect the gladiator to know much and I was right. At the very least the gladiator would hesitantly initiate fights but used fast blade, fast blade, riot blade. No use of flash.
    I tried to give advice on the combo and flash, but no response. Checked language and it was English. Everyone except the tank itself tanked that run. Hope that difficulty wall comes sooner rather than later.

    I might be a mentor but that doesn't mean I can play the game for you.
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    Last edited by ViolaCrossfire; 04-14-2017 at 10:24 PM.

  4. #8874
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    Vidu's Avatar
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    Vidu Moriquendi
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ViolaCrossfire View Post
    Everyone except the tank itself tanked that run.
    While bad tanks being bad is worse enough this sparked in a memory in me that I wish would have stayed burried - while you two obviously made it through the dungeons somehow without the tank tanking, I remember a run in Sastasha NM - with me as tank, so that wasnt the issue. However... the healer was - a conjurer who didnt use cure once. Or any other healing spell for that matter. Both me and the dps begged him in partychat, /say, /shout - using autotranslate, despite him having english ticked.... nothing... not a single heal. Made me and the archer cross class cure, the dragoon a second tank (because even in Sastasha you cant tank mutliple mobs without healing), the run a total nightmare and the archer use the LB (back in the days when it was a healing one) on the last boss because we would have wiped otherwise...

    So bad tanks are bad - bad healers are worse...
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  5. #8875
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    Kingmanath's Avatar
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    Kingmanath Toriktai
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    Cerberus
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    Bard Lv 90
    He probably was a bot if he did nothing ^^
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  6. #8876
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    Vidu's Avatar
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Oh, he did stuff - just not healing... I was torn between bot and russian 14 year old who actually doesnt understand english and has no idea what they're doing... in retrospective I dont know why we didnt kick him... there is a chance that the votekick wasnt in the game yet at that point - which just proves why we need it
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  7. #8877
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    Aosha's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Aosha Koz'ain
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Well, I just had the most pleasant ex roulette.
    I got past the queue because a healer apparently didn't like Sohm Al. All 3 others were nice and friendly, and even with that chatting, we cleared it in 15 minutes.
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  8. #8878
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    NaesakiAshwell's Avatar
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    Naesaki Ashwell
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    I love playing as a healer (Astrologian) in this at times just to have some variety to me constantly being a summoner 24/7 and it also lets me do EX and 60 with my boyfriend and his friend. But Jeez Louise there are some instances in this game were stressful situations don't really seem adequate enough to express how some Tanks just neglect any form of courtesy and ask how big of a pull do you like.

    Working on my 2nd anima relic, was at the stage of the 260-270 were I need the 3 items from Amdapor, Gubal and Sohm Al.

    Now I'm generally fine with large pulls, because most dungeons they aren't really that bothersome to handle if its kept within reasonable levels.

    But there's one part of Gubal Hard I always dread and I just gave up asking Tanks just to plain not do it due to vitriol behaviour being thrown at me as they'll still do it anyway. The dps that wasn't my boyfriend was new/very fresh gear and my bf is still gearing up his ninja so damage wasn't insanely high to clear groups in a timely manner, which also meant larger pulls would have been a bit slower to.

    The bit after the second boss, now my main experience with this is they'll grab the adds at the bottom of the stairs and the one's at the top just before the statue comes alive, leaving them til after the first two groups are dead. Thats my normal Gubal hard experience and I am perfectly fine with that level of a pull as its very manageable.

    However the stress inducing pull is when the tank (the one in this run of the dungeon) decides to run further and activate the statues as well.

    Now end result he didn't die, came extremely close to but essential dignity amright? <3

    I swear the tanks just seem to ignore that one of the mobs likes to stack up a vulnerability debuff, and this tank in particular didn't bother with this tanking cooldowns at all for this bit or use the "I will survive, heeeeyy aaaay." move. So spamming my benefic's like a madman and hoping for procs, never seen hp go up and down like a yo yo so much.

    His vulnerability debuff was at 3 stacks so you can imagine what it would be like.

    I mean there was no deaths in the dungeon at all, so mission accomplished as a healer. I do love doing it but that kind of stress really has a way of putting me off / knocking my confidence despite the mission success, because if I was half a second too late with the healing spam, the tank would have died. I would have disintegrated and then I would have had an angry tank, because its always gonna be my fault for being the 'bad' healer and not the tank having no consideration.

    Maybe I'm over thinking this......
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    Last edited by NaesakiAshwell; 04-15-2017 at 01:55 AM.

  9. #8879
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 92
    Just want to apologize to my party I had in Wanderer's Palace HM.

    There was quite a bit of derping going on in that run. XD But it was nice, because everyone was super chill.
    Just want to apologize for being a little distracted. Friend is having PC issues and asking me advice mid-run, and then some random guy was just walking around in my backyard so I was like wtf.

    Sorry again guys. XD But it was fun running with you all! Derps and all!

    Quote Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell View Post
    Big Daddy Pull Story snip
    I'm honestly shocked that you don't have much experience with the Big Daddy Gubal HM pull. I've rarely been in runs where the tanks don't pull all the way to that wall. :O

    Here's what I usually do when I'm healing on AST in Gubal and the tank does the Big Daddy Pull. Activate Lightspeed, I toss all of my HoTs on them while they're under the healing potency increase effect of Synastry. If I'm lucky enough to draw a Bole before the pull, I hold it and use it after my regens, then I Time Dilation/Celestial Opposition to extend the regen/Bole timers, and provide a stun for the trash pack. I emergency Essential Dignity if I have to, like if the tank drops too low while I'm in the middle of casting all my regens on him. I call these my "Super Special Regens" and I reserve them for large pulls like that where tank health is bouncing up and down like a basketball.

    Maybe you can try that next time you encounter the pull. To help take a little stress off of you. It should be enough to keep the tank going without having to cast another HoT for 30 seconds, so you can get in some nice Gravity spams.

    Also worth noting that I rarely have to activate Luminiferous Aether to reduce my healer aggro. I don't think I've ever pulled hate from a tank with my Super Special Regens, so if they can at least hold aggro decently, you don't have to worry about getting your face smashed in because of healer aggro.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 04-15-2017 at 03:19 AM.
    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

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  10. #8880
    Player
    NaesakiAshwell's Avatar
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    Naesaki Ashwell
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Guardian Angel <3
    Thats pretty good advice, Hyomin. Thank you ^^ *big roegadyn hugs*

    Honestly I've only been back to the game since middle of March (had been on a 6month break), before I stopped playing I did have white mage at 60 and of course with summoner being my main sch was 60 to but I was in that dilemma of which do I prefer?
    So I have only recently got AST to 60 so I am still learning the ropes with it, and well I can count on both hands the amount of times I've healed Gubal HM so far.

    I am more used to being in Nocturnal Sect over Diurnal but having read all that (though I do tend to switch it up depending on the boss), I can definitely see the appeal of the regens there. Defo gonna try and save a Bole and Dilation for the key moments, as more often than not I'll use bole to get a stronger balance.

    And I'll probably get a smack on the nose for this but I do often forget that Lightspeed exists as I've generally not had many situations were I have needed it.
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    Everyone needs an internet hug every now and then.


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